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Old Jan 26, 2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Broham
why reduce arm length If the turbo is spooling at the right time and only taper 2 pounds or 3 up top why would you need to add more preload and trime? what would u gain by this?
What is "trime"?
Old Jan 26, 2012, 11:52 AM
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That flange is the best on the market imo and the same one I used in my custom setup. It doesn't boost creep. There is another issue, maybe your wastegate is preloaded to much. Load a pic of the bottom of the actuator. I want to see the gap between the actuator and arm themble.

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Old Jan 26, 2012, 11:59 AM
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There is a difference between when a turbo starts to spool up (boost threshold) and its actual rate of spool. A turbo with little preload may start to spool at close to the same engine RPM as a turbo that is heavily preloaded, but from that point on the relative rates of spool between the two may be totally different.

The heavily preloaded one's compressor is going to produce the max volume of intake charge air that the engine is tuned for at a significantly lower engine speed(RPM) than the lightly preloaded one. Does this make any sense to you?

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Originally Posted by sparky
What is "trime"?
a joining of the actions "spending time to trim"

why Trime? lol no seriously typo i meant trim
Old Jan 26, 2012, 12:09 PM
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I like your word...obviously "trime" is Gaelic.
Old Jan 26, 2012, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky
What did you set preload at anyway? What do you mean when you say that the MBC will not hold boost up top? Are you describing a taper, or conversely a spike/creep scenario?
With the MBC zeroed out, I get 24-25psi at 3600rpm, at 5200rpm it creeps to ~29psi, after that it tapers to ~21psi at 7600rpm.

So when I put more preload on the 5200rpm area will creep higher and higher, as well as rasing the boost else where, however, it makes it so that I have very little control over my boost. My boost profile is also not that great.



This is about the best I can get it. This is with tweaking the WGA Preload, and the MBC to get it as close to 28psi as possible.
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Originally Posted by Mikey@Spec-Ops
That flange is the best on the market imo and the same one I used in my custom setup. It doesn't boost creep. There is another issue, maybe your wastegate is preloaded to much. Load a pic of the bottom of the actuator. I want to see the gap between the actuator and arm themble.

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I need to see at the bottom of the arm sir. There is a thimble that sits on the bottom of the actuator. If it is preloaded correctly, there should be a gap between the two.

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Originally Posted by Mikey@Spec-Ops
I need to see at the bottom of the arm sir. There is a thimble that sits on the bottom of the actuator. If it is preloaded correctly, there should be a gap between the two.

Mikey
Here you go.




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Thanks for the better description of your particular boost scenario! Refresh my memory if you will. What WGA are you running? Is it the FP 18 or the 25 psi unit? Did you have to use much force to pull it over and mount it up onto the peg on the flapper valve's pivot arm?

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Originally Posted by sparky
Thanks for the better description of your particular boost scenario! Refresh my memory if you will. What WGA are you running? Is it the FP 18 0r 25 psi unit? Did you have to use much force to pull it over and mount it up onto the peg on the flapper valve's pivot arm?
FP 25psi

Yes it requires quite a bit of force to pull it over the WG Arm.
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I had to use an air compressor to compress the actuator to get the turnbuckle over the flapper.

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Originally Posted by TheBoz
With the MBC zeroed out, I get 24-25psi at 3600rpm, at 5200rpm it creeps to ~29psi, after that it tapers to ~21psi at 7600rpm.....
What do you mean when you state that the MBC is zeroed out? I just want to make sure. Do you mean that you have backed the adjustment knob on the MBC all the way out to full soft? I think that you mean full soft, right? Again I am just trying to make sure that we are talking the same terminology.

If I am understanding you correctly with the MBC turned all the way out to its softest, that is, lowest boost setting you are seeing 25 PSI at 3600 RPM? What gear are we doing this boost run in anyway? And also, what is your intended peak boost target level?
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I went back to your first post and went through your mod list again. You don't have an MBC do you? Instead, you are running an EBC, right? Also, I discovered that you are using an FP 25 PSI actuator...not the 18 PSI unit. OK, I stand corrected. My mistake.
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Zeroed out MBC == Running off waste gate only

My boost target is 28psi.


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