Ok, but Reliability part I mean I worked on so many turbocharged car an internal waste gate is no where close to an external one beside why would we change the fan because the turbo cant fit right??? I don’t want to change the fan just because the turbo sit in different way. On top all that if you want stock look ATP just made a turbo that bolts right on stock manifold and with external waste gate and DP and that turbo is amazing GT30R\GT35R ??? I am not standing up for ATP as they don’t have it ready yet but its for $2300??? and we can replace that manifold with JIC one later on since there turbo bolts on stock manifold and JIC bolt on our stock turbo. more option for us. Please remember i am not trying to step on anyone toes here I am just trying to see how things work

Thanks

 

Safety!

In all seriousness, I can deal with re-Tigging a tube header once in a while if it will get me better spoolup. I only drive the Evo on weekends and use it mostly for canyon runs and track days, so I'm a little "different" than most of you daily drivers. I have a sexy, pimp 1995 Grand Caravan for work duty, so the Evo's my fun weekend car. And despite what those in the cast campt will have you believe, a tube header makes a difference, insofar as holding 20psi to redline on a stock turbo with a 3" catless exhaust.

 

I dont think the stock one will crack right??? then Bushur is not offering anything amazing because we have turbos that bolt on the stock manifold which look so like Bushur one right??

 

No. Nothing will bolt on the stock manifold other than a reverse twin scroll turbine housing.

 

I dont think JIC manifold and all the other good manifolds that are coming out will crack. (DC sports are coming with one) looks amazing

 

ATP turbo will bolt on stock manifold
http://www.atpturbo.com/root/monstermate/mitsuevo8.htm

 

SO what's your point? Don't get the Buschur setup for crying out loud. Please go complain in some other thread. Thanks you.

 

Are you basing your information on actual research and test data or just the fact that they "look pretty?"

 

Az3ar,

If you would have read this thread, or even just David Buschur's posts all your questions would be answered, multiple times.

I don't think anything anyone will say will sway you.

You believe that no internally gated turbo is equal to an externally gated one. Buschur's addressed this concern, stating that this in not the case.

The stock manifold will not crack, but they don't flow as much as Buschur's. Tubular manifolds, generally speaking, are weaker and have a tendency to crack on daily driver cars. I consider HKS a pretty good company, but there manifold has been known to crack. So with the BR you are getting better flow than the stock manifold and better strength than tubular. (No, i don't have flow data to prove that it flows better, but neither do you to say it doesn't. So we will have to take Buschur's word at this point.)

The ATP kit does bolt to the stock manifold using a modified exhaust housing, which is unproven. For the record, the _preliminary_ pricing is $2395, not $2300. Buschur has stated before that his kits will be a maximum $2500 for the non-ball bearing turbos. I will not address the ATP stuff further because I don't think comparing two products before they are actually shipping is worth any more effort.

As atlvalet stated, you obviously don't like the kit. If you really want to discuss why you don't like the BR kits vs. others, then start your own thread and let this one continue as a source of information on the BR kits.

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I always like hearing about different products, but after looking at their website I still think David has these guys beat. ATP's kit offers "400 WHP (500 crank) attainable on modest boost levels" for $2395 while David has this stock turbo upgrade coming out for $1200 range and should make the same power. I know where my money is going. Thanks for the info though.

 

Can you tell me why I wont like the kit??? There is no reason at all. I have always heard nothing but good about BR. It seems that some of you don’t read well. Can you explain to me how and internal waste gate works better than an external one. JIC and many other big *** CO including ATP and APR been in business for long *** time and that what they do all day long turbo turbos and turbos. I am not saying that ATP would be better or BR is but all the parts don’t even add up close to this price??? and what makes you think that BR manifold wont crack?? did you tested yourself?? I have had many spoon, mugen and JIC Headers and manifolds and nothing but best quality. all I am saying is the price is a little high and I was asking if there is something that I am not aware of here to consider this kit. All some of you guys did is compare and say its better with no prove so have a good day.

 

Great so what the deal with the $1200 turbo now we are talking

 

Mr bouns Do you think that ATP kit or HKs looks nice NO I dont I dont care how it looks you are completly missing my point here.

 

just read the last few pages of the thread. He estimated 400whp on pump gas for around $1200. Thats all anybody knows so far. If it gets anywhere close to that power you can put me on the list.

 

I did so for $1200 they will change the internals of the stock turbo and the car will make 400 whp???