Buschur Racing turbo kits & dyno numbers
For 1,200, you're getting a ported compressor housing and a larger compressor wheel on a NEW turbo. There will be no core exchange.
You could sell your stock 16G to a DSM owner for 500 bucks and it ends up being a heck of a deal.
You could sell your stock 16G to a DSM owner for 500 bucks and it ends up being a heck of a deal.
Az3ar,
Don't like the kit or the price? Guess this is the wrong thread for you then... Buschur offers the best bang for the buck any way you slice it. It's geared for those of us, like myself, who refuse to run a tubular manifold on our street car, and perfer to have components that fit like OE, and look like OE to Joe nobody. The price adds up real quick when you compare it to all the "big name" hyper priced JDM stuff circling the consumer like demonic vultures...
Don't like the kit or the price? Guess this is the wrong thread for you then... Buschur offers the best bang for the buck any way you slice it. It's geared for those of us, like myself, who refuse to run a tubular manifold on our street car, and perfer to have components that fit like OE, and look like OE to Joe nobody. The price adds up real quick when you compare it to all the "big name" hyper priced JDM stuff circling the consumer like demonic vultures...
TragicallyHip,
You are correct. It's not just plop on the stock-look turbo and tada 400whp. I don't think that is what other's thought but who knows.
Az3ar,
I have answered every question you have asked, including your post after mine. I even said that we don't know that the BR is stronger yet and that we would have to take David Buschur's word on it for the time being. I also stated why I don't think the BR kits are something you will like.
Again, this thread is for David to post info about the kits and people to ask questions. You have asked questions, we have answered, you have re-asked and re-asked the same thing again.
Actually try reading the thread and _all_ your asked questions will be answered.
Right now, we are all just waiting for the BR Kits to be ready to ship and BR to finish testing the different turbo options. Oh man I wish I could do this kind of testing as a job, instead of testing software
You are correct. It's not just plop on the stock-look turbo and tada 400whp. I don't think that is what other's thought but who knows.
Az3ar,
I have answered every question you have asked, including your post after mine. I even said that we don't know that the BR is stronger yet and that we would have to take David Buschur's word on it for the time being. I also stated why I don't think the BR kits are something you will like.
Again, this thread is for David to post info about the kits and people to ask questions. You have asked questions, we have answered, you have re-asked and re-asked the same thing again.
Actually try reading the thread and _all_ your asked questions will be answered.
Right now, we are all just waiting for the BR Kits to be ready to ship and BR to finish testing the different turbo options. Oh man I wish I could do this kind of testing as a job, instead of testing software
Originally posted by MrBonus
For 1,200, you're getting a ported compressor housing and a larger compressor wheel on a NEW turbo. There will be no core exchange.
You could sell your stock 16G to a DSM owner for 500 bucks and it ends up being a heck of a deal.
For 1,200, you're getting a ported compressor housing and a larger compressor wheel on a NEW turbo. There will be no core exchange.
You could sell your stock 16G to a DSM owner for 500 bucks and it ends up being a heck of a deal.
Originally posted by alex_alex
our 16g's don't work with the DSM's.
our 16g's don't work with the DSM's.
Keith
Price of the kit. $2500 or maybe a little less.
Ni-resist cast exhaust manifold. So far we have over $15,000 in MONEY SPENT to get these just started. This doesn't take into consideration ANY of the time spent here building the initial manifold or time spent on the flow bench making sure it was right. That is just in casting, the core box and getting the initial CNC tooling/program done.
Turbo charger. All new GT Technologies turbos. We have tested more turbos for this kit than we ever have for any other application in the past. $800 each test. Also does not take into consideration for OUR time and dyno. Turbos sell for $995.
304 grade stainless steel, CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. The housing uses 3/8" thick 304 SS flanges also. The DSM 02 housings are half as complicated to make as this piece, we get $275 for those. This wouldn't sell seperately for less than $350.
The turbo also comes with new oil feed and return lines. Oil feed is $80, return is $40.
Also comes with a new engine fan, $125.
Lower i/c pipe, $75.
That brings us to a total of $1665.
I have said many times before that I am going to try and get the price in under $2500. I have also said I am waiting to see what the total CNC billing is.
I am thinking the cheapest the kit can be is about $2200.
It's tough when someone comes down on us (me) for what we are trying to do. We are doing everything on the EVO for a reason. From what we use to build the parts to what parts we are building. We aren't here for a day or a year, we are here for keeps. The only way we have been able to stick around for 15 years doing the same thing is by turning out parts that not only work but last. Same thing is being for the EVO's.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Ni-resist cast exhaust manifold. So far we have over $15,000 in MONEY SPENT to get these just started. This doesn't take into consideration ANY of the time spent here building the initial manifold or time spent on the flow bench making sure it was right. That is just in casting, the core box and getting the initial CNC tooling/program done.
Turbo charger. All new GT Technologies turbos. We have tested more turbos for this kit than we ever have for any other application in the past. $800 each test. Also does not take into consideration for OUR time and dyno. Turbos sell for $995.
304 grade stainless steel, CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. The housing uses 3/8" thick 304 SS flanges also. The DSM 02 housings are half as complicated to make as this piece, we get $275 for those. This wouldn't sell seperately for less than $350.
The turbo also comes with new oil feed and return lines. Oil feed is $80, return is $40.
Also comes with a new engine fan, $125.
Lower i/c pipe, $75.
That brings us to a total of $1665.
I have said many times before that I am going to try and get the price in under $2500. I have also said I am waiting to see what the total CNC billing is.
I am thinking the cheapest the kit can be is about $2200.
It's tough when someone comes down on us (me) for what we are trying to do. We are doing everything on the EVO for a reason. From what we use to build the parts to what parts we are building. We aren't here for a day or a year, we are here for keeps. The only way we have been able to stick around for 15 years doing the same thing is by turning out parts that not only work but last. Same thing is being for the EVO's.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally posted by davidbuschur
Price of the kit. $2500 or maybe a little less.
Ni-resist cast exhaust manifold. So far we have over $15,000 in MONEY SPENT to get these just started. This doesn't take into consideration ANY of the time spent here building the initial manifold or time spent on the flow bench making sure it was right. That is just in casting, the core box and getting the initial CNC tooling/program done.
Turbo charger. All new GT Technologies turbos. We have tested more turbos for this kit than we ever have for any other application in the past. $800 each test. Also does not take into consideration for OUR time and dyno. Turbos sell for $995.
304 grade stainless steel, CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. The housing uses 3/8" thick 304 SS flanges also. The DSM 02 housings are half as complicated to make as this piece, we get $275 for those. This wouldn't sell seperately for less than $350.
The turbo also comes with new oil feed and return lines. Oil feed is $80, return is $40.
Also comes with a new engine fan, $125.
Lower i/c pipe, $75.
That brings us to a total of $1665.
I have said many times before that I am going to try and get the price in under $2500. I have also said I am waiting to see what the total CNC billing is.
I am thinking the cheapest the kit can be is about $2200.
It's tough when someone comes down on us (me) for what we are trying to do. We are doing everything on the EVO for a reason. From what we use to build the parts to what parts we are building. We aren't here for a day or a year, we are here for keeps. The only way we have been able to stick around for 15 years doing the same thing is by turning out parts that not only work but last. Same thing is being for the EVO's.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Price of the kit. $2500 or maybe a little less.
Ni-resist cast exhaust manifold. So far we have over $15,000 in MONEY SPENT to get these just started. This doesn't take into consideration ANY of the time spent here building the initial manifold or time spent on the flow bench making sure it was right. That is just in casting, the core box and getting the initial CNC tooling/program done.
Turbo charger. All new GT Technologies turbos. We have tested more turbos for this kit than we ever have for any other application in the past. $800 each test. Also does not take into consideration for OUR time and dyno. Turbos sell for $995.
304 grade stainless steel, CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. The housing uses 3/8" thick 304 SS flanges also. The DSM 02 housings are half as complicated to make as this piece, we get $275 for those. This wouldn't sell seperately for less than $350.
The turbo also comes with new oil feed and return lines. Oil feed is $80, return is $40.
Also comes with a new engine fan, $125.
Lower i/c pipe, $75.
That brings us to a total of $1665.
I have said many times before that I am going to try and get the price in under $2500. I have also said I am waiting to see what the total CNC billing is.
I am thinking the cheapest the kit can be is about $2200.
It's tough when someone comes down on us (me) for what we are trying to do. We are doing everything on the EVO for a reason. From what we use to build the parts to what parts we are building. We aren't here for a day or a year, we are here for keeps. The only way we have been able to stick around for 15 years doing the same thing is by turning out parts that not only work but last. Same thing is being for the EVO's.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Keith
We have a ton of cost to recover on the exhaust manifolds. I am shocked how much money got wrapped up in that project.
This other kit, the ATP, or whatever it is. This turbo is around $2200 and bolts to the stock manifold? Mine is a complete kit for
no more than $2500 and my kit is high priced? Doesn't make much sense to me.
BTW, just tested ANOTHER turbo. Made 479 whp with it, not too happy with the overall performance though. Trying another tomorrow if all goes well.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
This other kit, the ATP, or whatever it is. This turbo is around $2200 and bolts to the stock manifold? Mine is a complete kit for
no more than $2500 and my kit is high priced? Doesn't make much sense to me.
BTW, just tested ANOTHER turbo. Made 479 whp with it, not too happy with the overall performance though. Trying another tomorrow if all goes well.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
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Your company is a great example of the right way for American business to be conducted.
Keep up the good work guys. I wish more companies did the things the right way instead of the fast/easy/cheap/wrong way
Keep up the good work guys. I wish more companies did the things the right way instead of the fast/easy/cheap/wrong way
Last edited by Guack007; Apr 19, 2004 at 03:06 PM.
Hi horsepower freaks!
EVO is on the dyno. We have a turbo this is really kicking butt on it right now. Tons of testing going on.
The car made 505 whp yesterday. This is on race gas and running 25 psi at redline. While this turbo has more lag than stock it is still very driveable and what we were looking for. I will get some dyno sheets posted up sooner or later, when the kits and tuning is complete.
For some comparison here are some written numbers:
BR440 makes 300 whp at 3900 rpm
400 whp at 4800 rpm
This is on the stock cylinder head and pump gas.
Running this turbo on race gas and the ported head produced 443 whp.
BR500 makes 300 whp at 4600 rpm
400 whp at 4800 rpm
500 whp at 5500 rpm
This is the on the ported head and race gas.
From the looks of things right now we have our first two turbo's done for the EVO. The BR 440 and the BR 500 are the two very streetable combinations we are going to offer. The BR440 is damn near stock where spool up is concerned where the BR500 comes in later.
The TURBO kit contents are listed below:
Ni-resist cast manifold. This manifold was completely designed here and we sourced an outside company to cast it for us. We did a cast manifold over a tubular header for reliability reasons. Headers are going to eventually crack, I have never seen a turbo header that doesn't. This manifold uses the stock heat shield, very stealthy appearance.
New turbocharger. All the the turbo's we are using are built on the new Garrett GT wheels. The turbos are all internally gated. There is no room in the EVO to do an uncomplicated clean installation. The boost is well maintained with the internal gate and we saw no reason to add cost or complication to the kits.
304 grade stainless steel CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. Wait until you guys see these works of art.
Oil feed and return lines to install the kit.
New engine fan, the stock fan is too thick, we are using a thinner fan.
New lower i/c pipe.
Our car has the AEM EMS on it. We are running our standard Stage 4 kit other than that. Fuel pump and 680 cc injectors. This is good because we know we can control the 680 cc injectors with the AFC and the Flash. We should be able to have a great kit with great HP with those to parts controlling the fueling.
Good stuff.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Oil feed and return
EVO is on the dyno. We have a turbo this is really kicking butt on it right now. Tons of testing going on.
The car made 505 whp yesterday. This is on race gas and running 25 psi at redline. While this turbo has more lag than stock it is still very driveable and what we were looking for. I will get some dyno sheets posted up sooner or later, when the kits and tuning is complete.
For some comparison here are some written numbers:
BR440 makes 300 whp at 3900 rpm
400 whp at 4800 rpm
This is on the stock cylinder head and pump gas.
Running this turbo on race gas and the ported head produced 443 whp.
BR500 makes 300 whp at 4600 rpm
400 whp at 4800 rpm
500 whp at 5500 rpm
This is the on the ported head and race gas.
From the looks of things right now we have our first two turbo's done for the EVO. The BR 440 and the BR 500 are the two very streetable combinations we are going to offer. The BR440 is damn near stock where spool up is concerned where the BR500 comes in later.
The TURBO kit contents are listed below:
Ni-resist cast manifold. This manifold was completely designed here and we sourced an outside company to cast it for us. We did a cast manifold over a tubular header for reliability reasons. Headers are going to eventually crack, I have never seen a turbo header that doesn't. This manifold uses the stock heat shield, very stealthy appearance.
New turbocharger. All the the turbo's we are using are built on the new Garrett GT wheels. The turbos are all internally gated. There is no room in the EVO to do an uncomplicated clean installation. The boost is well maintained with the internal gate and we saw no reason to add cost or complication to the kits.
304 grade stainless steel CNC mandrel bent 02 housing. Wait until you guys see these works of art.
Oil feed and return lines to install the kit.
New engine fan, the stock fan is too thick, we are using a thinner fan.
New lower i/c pipe.
Our car has the AEM EMS on it. We are running our standard Stage 4 kit other than that. Fuel pump and 680 cc injectors. This is good because we know we can control the 680 cc injectors with the AFC and the Flash. We should be able to have a great kit with great HP with those to parts controlling the fueling.
Good stuff.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Oil feed and return
BR500 makes 300 whp at 4600 rpm
400 whp at 4800 rpm
500 whp at 5500 rpm
This is the on the ported head and race gas.
400 whp at 4800 rpm
500 whp at 5500 rpm
This is the on the ported head and race gas.