Finally someone else getting tired of hearing the whining.

 

+1. I'm in the market for a turbo and used to check this thread for information researching different turbo options. Start a different thread about FP not providing the info you desire if you want.

 

I'm a fabricator and A&P mechanic if that interests you. What I see is someone kicking a dead horse or as you can say, trying to squeeze juice from a dried turnip. You have a problem with Fp, we get it, nothing we can do for you, nothing here will get done about it, take your problems to FP directly or buy something else. There is no reason for us to read a constant and never ending complaint from you that will go nowhere and never get resolved here, your an engineer, I figered at least you can figure that out, it requires no math it's just pure logic. As for how I think, I'm tired of reading this garbage, start a thread of your own explaining your discuss with said vendor and leave this thread alone.

Thanks for your understanding

 

I spoke directly with Amber, Robert, from http://www.forcedperformance.net/ and those from Tial at: tech@tialsport.com.
I have been postponed to this information for more than two months.
Addressing the two sides Robert and Tial is different and it is not correct. Robert says that this data is not available and Tial say they receive but will not say when.
I'm not complaining, I just want to know all those who want to use those products that do not receive proper documentation of the product and its use is affected in this way.
Certainly those who have used them and have written on this forum about them, not having these technical data and who have not joined the discussion are in fact novices or people who obtained these graphics through its own testing.
Normally and correctly it is that the manufacturer, directly or through intermediaries to provide accurate and complete documentation for these products.
Otherwise these products should not be allowed to appear on the market.
I am a customer fooled by their marketing, that I bought such a turbine with a satisfactory flow for my application but still not got the required documentation and that makes me raise questions about their professionalism.

 

This is the only documentation that came with my FP turbo. Seems to work fine none the less.





FWIW, I run a Xona Rotor 6156 on the mightymax. It spools quicker than the old T3 50 trim I had on there and makes another ~12 lbs/min.

 

But you don't have the compressor maps, there is no way you could have gotten it to work...

 

lol

 

Perhaps my English is lacking, but certainly some here have not understood anything. Or worse someone has interest in changing the meaning of my words.
I am a customer who bought a turbine XONA. I demand that my money be respected, even if it's not a question of the amount, but a principle.
Of course, one gets the keys to a car knows to go with her but "idiot" manufacturer offers manual.
I do not want to leave the discussion to decline, on the contrary I want to be on a technical level correctly. Always one eyed is king in the land of the blind.

 

You make it hard for anyone to respect you when you go onto other peoples threads thrashing on a well known vendor that doesn't even post here. We kindly explain to you over and over, we don't care, don't want to hear it, kindly put - stop trashing this thread with your nonsense or post your own thread. At this point it looks like your just trolling. Maybe you don't understand our English well, or someone is changing the meaning of our words to you too.

Hope this is more clear -> lasă-ne în pace, nu ne pasă

 

My friend,
No need to stress. Stay calm! Easy, easy, no packing.
If you are not able to understand the importance of this information ... probably have other interests.
I'm not angry that you can not understand, so can you.
I appreciate their products, I trust them, I bought Xona, but not normal lack of documentation.
I do not want to get angry but it is my opinion and please respect it!
I do not like the noise, but I love justice.

 

Looks nice! Any dyno plots or anything? What kind of power does it make and what's the setup?

You aren't in the States are you? How long did it take to get your turbo, and have you ordered other things from FP? How have the reliability and support been?

Your post on trusting them catches my eye as I love the performance and look of the FP turbos I've been exposed to so far and the product they do from a performance standpoint is great but I have basically lost any kind of trust in them from basically being made to look bad by convincing various mates in NZ and Oz to buy their turbos, two FP Green BBs were bought and both took AGES to arrive and started leaking oil within hundreds of km of use - both replaced with other turbos with no other changes and now no issue.

3 other turbos have been ordered and all of them took AGES to arrive, or in one case still hasn't after being given excuses for why it's taking ages, and then finally being told it's been sent and due to arrive by x date and after that date past - finding that the goods ACTUALLY had never been sent, and actually wasn't built yet. There are vendors in NZ who refused to order an FP turbo for a mate because of their past experiences and now I see why, I had wondered if it was a case of them only supporting American customers but maybe it's that NZ and Oz are so far away... or something else? They seem very well trusted in the States which is how I initially thought they had some credibility.

I'd like to think there has just been a bad run of luck, especially seeing as the Xona turbos at face value seem one of the most appealing turbo ranges on the market but with a 100% **** experiences run so far it's hard to want to consider one myself, or recommend one to anyone without feeling a bit like a ****.

 

Nope, I haven't dynoed the truck in many years. It's an auto anyway so the numbers aren't what people generally want to see. It won't even show spool, since with an auto, the full boost RPM and converter flash RPM coincide, and is much than it would be in a manual car.

That said, I can provide some other indicators of the performance of the turbo. The 50 trim was taking around 4 seconds to reach the 2 step at 3500 rpm. This turbo in similar conditions took 2 seconds to get there, which is a big change. In the cold air at night it was only one second. Very raceable.

On the 50 trim the truck ran a best of 6.9 at 100 in the 8th (10.77 at 126 pass, but no cage so we can't keep doing that). With the 6156 it ran 6.7 at 105 without any trouble. Similar boost, but the 6156 didn't taper off like the 50 trim (it was maxed out at 49 lbs/min, boost tapering from 26 psi to 19 psi). Airflow on this run was in the 54 lb/min range. If I take it out again I'll turn it up and try to get closer to that 61 lb/min advertised capacity. My track is already giving me a lot of grief though, even when I make 8th mile runs and keep it right at 11.5 in the quarter. The truck is just too fast for not having a cage.

Sucks about the issues you've had getting them in NZ. FP has always been good to all of us New England guys. Like any product there are occasional issues, but they always seem to make it right. For me and many of us up here, FP is all we'll use these days. Ordering turbos can be tricky since they don't always have one of every style in stock, and they make them in batches. Just the nature of the business. Add in the distance to NZ and I'm sure it gets a little more complicated.

 

That all makes sense Cheers, I guess it'll be much of a muchness with the HTA3076

Yeah that all makes sense and have been trying to give the benefit of the doubt, the most recent case where they were saying after ~6months of waiting it had actually finally shipped and would be a few weeks due to ocean freight, then it turns out that it apparently wasn't actually even made yet despite in the recent period they have been pushing in their advertising that they have TD05-68HTAs in stock and ready to go out the door.

I'm guessing from your feedback (and the sheer popularity of them) that this feedback is probably not relevant to people in the States but the reality is I consider FP a company who really would be better off to say "We don't sell outside of the states" than treat their Australasian (ex) customers the way they seem to.

 

I am not surprised to hear bad things about them. I do not think the product is great problem, but respect for the client and customer intelligence.

 

I get where you are coming from as I'm an engineer as well and I love data. BUT...
You are looking for engineering data in a market that doesn't provide that kind of information. NOBODY but multi-billion $$$ OEM manufacturers do. Good luck getting a map from Precision for example.

Also, those Garrett maps are often polished marketing maps and are fairly off from the real maps. Particularly the turbine maps...those things are next to useless.

Sure, having info is nice when selecting the turbo. But at the end of the day once you have a turbo, you crank the boost as high as the setup will tolerate and you hope nothing blows up. If you want to set the boost to what keeps the turbo happy be prepared to be blown off the road by the next guy that (as Robert might say) "has the dial set to 11."

lol