I'm glad you understood! But I can not consider this state as being correct. I would like to live in a better world. I ask something normal and right, does not increase any favors.

 

Finally got my 7164 mounted with a FF sheepey Kit. Hopefully be on the Dyno before snow hits the ground here in Pittsburgh

 

So does anyone know if there is a twin scroll t4 housing that will bolt to the 71-64 ? I know u can't order them in twin scroll t4

 

I know due to the xona chra the turbine housing has to be machined (differ than a garrett chra) so id say the same goes for the typical twin t4 housing. my tial SS .ar82 wont fit on my xona chra

 

Well that sucks

 

Any update on the xona turbos, looking to get one very soon, haven't found much results on them. My turbo died again.

 

The 78-64 and 78-65 will be pretty close to the old HTA3586, but with better compressor performance.

 

Still running in my truck, no issues. Except traction. I do have traction issues.

 

That's not necessarily a bad issue to have when you're talking about your turbocharger.


The Xona CHRA that my FP red uses is still going strong after 10k miles, and a bit of a fight with excess crankcase pressure when I first installed it. Which is saying something because the backpressure from the MHI twinscroll turbine housing likely adds a lot of thrust that the T3 turbos don't see.

 

I'm curious your result with the new turbo.
I mounted a turbine 7164 to the Subaru STI.

 

Malaxa, to respond to your question about compressor maps, the people who told you that compressor maps were only offered by the large OEM type manufacturers were absolutely correct. MHI (Mitsubishi), Garrett and a few other large OEM car or turbo manufacturers of that size have the test cells to produce that information, and even those are suspect at times. The test cells are expensive, and generally not available to anyone outside the company.

FP has been a long time innovator in the DSM/Evo world. If they had the information you wanted, they would already have provided it to you. Good luck with your Xona. It's some excellent technology.

 

In the past paper bear the greatest aberrations.
Now these are aberrations on the Internet.
It has turned the world upside down? I ask specifications, which can give an honest producer.
Who wants to spy makes cheap, buy the product and test it getting all specification.
I am a customer and I believe that FP has no respect for me and my money.

 

You apparently ignore the financial and practical realities of the world. If a small manufacturer does not have a test cell, and cannot get access to one, they will never have the capability to give you the "paper" you want. So, as previously and elegantly stated, you have a simple choice: (1) buy your turbos from the limited market of huge OEM manufacturers, like MHI or Garrett, and believe their "paper"; or (2) buy from a performance market manufacturer, and do without the "paper". It's not an issue of "honest"; its an issue of what can be tested without a very expensive and limited availability tool. As an engineer, you should know that if you don't have the test cell, you don't have a compressor map. That's not rocket science.
If someone with a test cell chooses to "spy" and test it, they are not likely to publish that information to the public, either. You're going to have to do without it.
We don't care what you choose. We've tried to help you understand the issue, which you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge. There's no amount of talking that will get you "paper" that does not exist. We don't care. FP turbos work great here for us, whether we are "engineers" or not. Have a good day.

 

Initially they said they would provide it. Subsequently refused to do so.
An engineer working with exact values, needs accurate information to properly manage a project or ...
I do not understand why campaigned against a requirement entitled, and why not try to convince the producer to proceed technically correct, as would have been normal.
Map compressor, turbine and other data map should be provided to an air pump when buying any product of its kind.

 

For what reason do you need that information? It does not change anything about your purchase other than having a piece of paper. It will not change how you drive the car, tune it, or anything.