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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 09:42 AM
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Stock frame turbo

Hi all I am looking to go for a bigger turbo in the hunt to achieve 600bhp

I am currently running a turbo tecnics s214b
And iam making 507bhp what recommendations for a stock frame set up do people suggest ??
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 10:02 AM
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If you have access to E85 then the fp red is going to be your best bet.
If you only have pump gas then an fp black should make close to 475-500whp. Both with MHI housings .

If you go BB then an oil pressure regulator and proper crankcase vent is recommended .

If you want power easier and don't mind 700-1000 rpm worth of lag on each then the SS housing will do it.

Here are three dyno graph's .
Sean's mivec 2.2 ( EDIT , this wasn't full power. Fuel pump was changed then run to near max on the street)
My mivec 2.2
A 2.3 mivec

A 2.0 mivec engine will also work well with the red and produce a strong 3800-7800 rpm powerband.
They also make a zero and zephyr but at that point a full turbo kit with a G660 or GTX3076R/3582R may need to be considered.






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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 10:42 AM
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Power and Tq early... I love this one
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 11:16 AM
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Thanx for fast reply

I have no access to e85 although pump gas over here us 97ron !
What turbo is the last graph running ?
I like the look of that
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 11:42 AM
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These are all on the FP Red MHI. The last one is a 2.3 so it will make more torque earlier then a 2.0/2.2.
A red is capable of making around 600+ at the tire on a dynojet with race fuel/E85

If you are pump gas limited then you may want something larger then a red. Or use meth to make more then pump gas.
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 12:39 PM
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I was considering a stock placement gtx3582r
Do you know of any comparisons involving it and the FP ??
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 12:50 PM
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The stock placement 3582r doesn't have the fast spool up that the red has .

You may have to research that particular kit.

If you are considering the 3582r then I would just move to turbo kit to have a wider powerband,power,less backpressure and be proud to 8500ish.

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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoturbo1
I was considering a stock placement gtx3582r
Do you know of any comparisons involving it and the FP ??
The FP Black has a comparable compressor. Really, a Red is the largest stock frame that makes sense IMO. Once you start going bigger, a full turbo kit with comparable compressor specs will typically spool faster (or very similar) and make more power if a T4 twin scroll setup is used.

Also, the graph from car the Abacus post was not full power potential. We were out of fuel on the dyno. Changed the fuel pump later and turned it up a bit more to finish the tune on the street
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