Hey guys, so waiting or my HTA71 to come in. I Have full bolt ons as of now I’m gonna be getting installed with that turbo...no porting and stock cams, will be tuned on dual map 93/E85. Would be happy with 420-440whp on e85. But thinking now I should of just gone FP Black and tried to break 480-500whp since in time I wanna make more power anyways most likely later on. Would like to know will the FP install kit coming in with the HTA71 turbo fit the FP black as well? since my cars a 2003 Evo 8 I went ahead and order the install kit since it’s obviously required. My tuner says I can use my stock wastegate with the HTA71 but when I look on what’s required to run the FP Black it states a Evo 9 wastegate actuator is required. They also offer a 18 or 25psi one with purchase of the turbo from FP. And also will journal bearing be fine? Somewhat on a budget so. I also saw it states it’s not compatible with “stock feed lines”. Just kinda confused now on the best route. So again...

-Will the FP black just bolt on with install kit?

-New wastegate needed for the Fp Black or stock Evo 8 one is fine? if needed, then what size 18 or 25?

-Is journal bearing ok to use? Recently already read up on the difference already. Seems to be what everyone is running.

-And is a upgraded oil feed line necessary? (I see now my install kit coming in includes a new oil feed line)


Thanks and sorry I’m advance for the lecture.

 

-Will the FP black just bolt on with install kit?
Yes, you will need a coupler for your intake to fit the 3.25" inlet on the black though. If you have an Evo8, make sure to get the full install kit for installing the Evo9 style turbo.

-New wastegate needed for the Fp Black or stock Evo 8 one is fine? if needed, then what size 18 or 25?
What fuel do you plan to run?

-Is journal bearing ok to use? Recently already read up on the difference already. Seems to be what everyone is running.
Journal bearing is fine, just be sure to get the FP oil line that feeds from the oil filter housing.

-And is a upgraded oil feed line necessary? (I see now my install kit coming in includes a new oil feed line)
See above.

For your goal of 480-500whp, if that is on E85, I would go with a red over a black for faster spool. If it's on pump gas, its probably not going to happen on either turbo.

 

Yeah to break 500hp I plan on being e85. So idk if I can use the stock 8 waste gate? If not, then which FP size 18 or 25? And the Fp oil line is different than the one I ordered from STM’s install kit that I received? Picture provided shows what I received already with the kit.

 

Apparently on STM’s site it shows I’ll need this also along with the Fp install kit...

 

You need the OEM parts kit, and then you also need that oil feed line, yes. The oil feed line in the STM kit is the stock line that feeds off the head, and won't feed the FP JB turbo enough oil. So you need the FP oil feed line.

I would go with an FP JB red for better spool up, and the 18psi actuator will make plenty of boost to make 480-500whp on the stock motor. It will also ensure you don't make too much boost for pump gas. And yes, you need an Evo 9 actuator; the 8 actuator won't work.

 

Ok so the install kit is needed, that “FP oil supply line” for $249 in the pic I provided, and the Evo 9 18psi actuator. And Fp red is the better option, got it. If I have the HTA71 coming in is it possible to have that shipped back and converted to an FP Red ? I see when you send in your stock 8/9 turbo to FP they can do conversions for black and red apparently.

 

That is a question you'll need to ask FP.

 

Just spoke to them and thanks for all your help.

 

What would you say is the better option for a “roll racing” turbo when they have it in my area at the track events. For 20/40mph roll races quarter mile long in length still...the HTA71 since it spools so fast with hardly any lag from what I’ve read. Or the FP red or black option?

 

I don't see stock frame turbos as "roll racing" turbos.

But I'd still go with a red.

 

I'd also go for a Mhi red for a fun 500-520whp stock block setup. Keep the TQ around/below 400 and it will live awhile on good fuel with good tuning.

Do you have 1300CC+ injectors and enough pump for 500whp?

 

Got it, I honestly was leaning more towards the red anyways. And I have precision 1200CC’s (new) I haven’t installed yet and a walbro single pump still not installed either. Just got the HTA71 in today and intercooler also. Was gonna drop everything off at the shop for the install and tune but gonna have to reach out to FP to see if a return can be made for the HTA71 and the difference paid for the red. Thanks for your help guys!

 

Also, can’t seem to get a response anywhere and don’t wanna make another thread on here for the same question so would just rather rewrite the question here...what would you guys pay at most for a 2003 Evo 8 in black that’s virgin stock with 12K miles ? One owner history...and what would you pay for a the same year Evo 8 with 14K miles in red, 2 owner history but with a Buschur turbo back exhaust, STM intake, 1200cc’s with an FP-Red on E85. Both having maintenance records I’m sure and the bolt on one maybe parts/install receipts. Neither are for sale guys, both are people I know in my area and was willing to make them an offer & try my luck with either or so I can have a second Evo. I just don’t want to low ball them as a slap in the face so trying to figure out something they’d consider on their end. A buddy of mine said the virgin stock one could easily sell for $50K he thinks if someone really wants it and the other bolt on one with minor mods maybe still $45-48K since the miles are still so low with good branded parts and low owner history. What do you guys think? Thanks

 

Those prices sound pretty insane to me. Just to get practical though, you could never get a loan for that amount so you have to out of pocket it. Second KBB puts a 2003 w/ 12k miles in excellent condition between 21k-25k. Obviously the car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, but insurance companies don't work that way. You could never insure it for that much, unless you get some specialized insurance policy which comes with all kinds of restrictions.

Sounds crazy to me, you could find a decent condition evo for low to mid 20's and have tens of thousands of dollars left over to replace upgrade what ever you want.

 

It's a 2003 8, not a 9. I'd say upper 20's-30 for the stocker. Low-mid-20's for the modded one.