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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 07:26 PM
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I had a little more than a quarter tank when it went. One of the guys said it sounded like piston rings. I have no idea, I'm no expert. And yes, the spark plug makes me think the worst. Because I don't think it's possible I did that taking it out. And when it went, he tried to get it working, while we were going down the straight and we weren't putting out white smoke like we blew a head gasket. The oil is clean but it has small metal flakes. And the coolant was full and green. The car doesn't start, if I can get a stumble by pumping the gas trying to turn it over and feed it WOT, I can get it to run for several seconds while feeding it gas.

The biggest problem is money. I still owe quite a bit on the car and I go to college, so it's not the best situation. But, I don't want to skimp out and not be able to race the car. And I especially don't want to pay a little and get a motor that might not last me until the end of the loan.

I'm off tomorrow, and I really don't want to take the head off, but I have to I guess. And I lost my Mitsubishi shop manual cd, so if anyone has that they could email me give me a pm, please.

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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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I hope a couple of vendors would consider helping you out with a little discount here, a little free tuning there, etc. in order to getting you rolling again sooner.
Now, someone finally gives a really good response.
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 07:57 PM
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the stock FMIC should not be a relevant issue.

also I noticed that despite being asked 2-3 times, you didn't answer whether knock control was active. I think it's all EMS tuning, but the results of the failure have yet to be seen. best case-- head gasket. worst case-- well, all the rods are still in the block so that's good.

take pictures of the plugs and post them. preferably on a real host so we aren't limited by the 100kb restriction for attachments.
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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Yes, the rods are still in the engine. But, as for the worst case, something smashed into one of the plugs and completely closed the gap, so that's close to worse case.

The funniest part is that only non Integras broke. A 240SX took a dump also. Those damn naturally aspirated Hondas may not make crazy HP but their damn close to bulletproof.

One thing to make you smile, during the time I did the compression test...
Me: Jesus, there goes another few thousand dollars into this car.
Guy: Don't feel bad, I have $40,000 in my 92 Civic hatchback
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
I agree. With stand-alones, you have to be very careful when it comes to running your car in conditions that you have not tested in. So this means running race gas when conditions get bad and carefully watching knock counts and coolant/oil temps. Stand-alones don't have the natural adaptability and failsafe algorithms exhibited by factory computers. They can be tuned for a variety of conditions (air temp compensations, altitude compensations, coolant temp comp, etc,.) but the results are only as good as the tuner. So spend your $$ there, not on extra parts. Good luck with your project

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I would take this advice and run with it. That is why I am seriously thinking about going to XS for tuning my Power FC...just because of their reputation and knowledge of evos. Thats a thousand mile drive too I think...
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 08:19 PM
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One more question before I go to bed (as if I'm going to be able to sleep) is are there any engine builders who warranty their work for racing?
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by metaphysical
I had a little more than a quarter tank when it went. One of the guys said it sounded like piston rings. I have no idea, I'm no expert. And yes, the spark plug makes me think the worst. Because I don't think it's possible I did that taking it out. And when it went, he tried to get it working, while we were going down the straight and we weren't putting out white smoke like we blew a head gasket. The oil is clean but it has small metal flakes. And the coolant was full and green. The car doesn't start, if I can get a stumble by pumping the gas trying to turn it over and feed it WOT, I can get it to run for several seconds while feeding it gas.



...damn, that sounds bad.

Anyone want to start a PayPal pool to help the guy out? I started the last one a while back.

...for those of you who don't remember: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ghlight=paypal about halfway down the page starting around my 1st post.

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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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I'm down for that! He really does deserve it

meta, you didn't happen to have internal logging enabled did you? That would give a little more insight into things.

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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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Anyone want to start a PayPal pool to help the guy out? I started the last one a while back.
I don't mean to be rude, but why? I've blown a few engines in my day. most were my directly my fault... the others... indirectly? when it occured I would lay money I was in a more restrictive financial situation than metaphysical and his father.

here's his options as I see it:

--if head is good, cheapest to most expensive--

junkyard 4g63 shortblock
reman 4g63 shortblock
stock shortblock
built (performance parts) 4g63
built 4g64
stroker 4g63

the first item on this list will get him running for a few hundred bucks if he has space, tools, mechanical ability and a few friends with some of these as well.

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Old Jul 25, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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It's not the pump, I And they almost never fail. Or at least it didn't seem to. .
Yes they do after extended running we got my car to do it on the dyno after 20 consecutive pulls. The pump just starts losing pressure. Let it cool down and it's fine again (till you run it hard again). We put in a Walbro 255 and problem gone. We posted all over the site back in December when this happened (is was not just on my car). When you put in your new motor put in a Walbro pump and a fuel pressure guage. Check out the sticky on this on the Vishnu site. Sorry dude
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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my buddy vic just got back from that type-r meet and he told me about a fast evo blowing it's motor. sorry to hear that. he road races more than me (8 times this month) and he said that track has to many straights. thirty minute runs are pretty long at 100 mph plus. good luck on your build up and come to gingerman if you get a chance.
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 10:18 PM
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That sucks Maybe if you drink alot of this you will forget about this . Sounds like another warranty claim Mitsu would probably go for this without saying a thing but, god forbid if we try to get a reflash for a P0300 code!!!
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Originally Posted by ColinL
I don't mean to be rude, but why? I've blown a few engines in my day. most were my directly my fault... the others... indirectly? when it occured I would lay money I was in a more restrictive financial situation than metaphysical and his father.

...because we can.
Old Jul 26, 2004 | 05:30 AM
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I really appreciate the offer guys, but I would prefer you put your money towards someone who really needs it. There are people in far worse situations than me, especially outside of America.

Chronohunter, the pump was a Walbro.
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Depending on the condition of the engine in your car I can cut you a pretty good break on doing a new engine for you. I have pistons and rods in stock. I wouldn't mind helping you out to get you up and running.

As far as engine builders warranting their engines, not going to happen on anything but workmanship. Nobody can keep an engine from failing if poor tuning is the reason it fails, which sounds like it might be in this case.

I'd love to see the maps that were built for the car, I don't care who did them, I'd just like to see what you had. The octane and extended periods of high boost could be the issue, what type of fuel were you running? If the knock control was turned on AND set up right it still shouldn't have happened. Anyone can turn the knock control on, it is one click of the mouse. You also need to set it up so it will have enough safe guard to save the engine, if that wasn't done properly it won't matter if it is on or not.

We have set up quite a few EMS's at this point for the EVO. Take Rober Fuller for example, we set him up with a map for his BR Stage 4, plus our BR500 turbo kit and ported head, he has had no troubles at all.

Let me know what the crank in that block looks like and send me a PM, I have the parts to do the engine and will give you a deal to help you get running.

We have built 6 of the EVO specific 4g63's so far, old style 4g63's I have lost count

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