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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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question about short shifters

I have a stock Evo and was wanting to improve a few basic things (as cash allows) and a short throw shift was one of them. After driving an 350Z and S2000 I decited this was deffinately something I wanted to fix on my car.

I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?

Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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B/M shifters are about 1" - 1"1/4 shorter than stock.

So if you cut the stock shifter, you'd be getting the same lenght throws as the B/M.

Switching to a shorter shifter would yeild [B]lessB] leverage during shifting. It's like turning a nut with a longer ( stock shifter ) wrench compared with a shorter ( B/M ) one.

I have a B/M in mine. It's a little harder to shift but you'll get use to it. I like the shorter more positive throws though. I'ts a good trade off though since I use to own a supercharged GSR with a short shifter.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:09 PM
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so whats the down side to just cutting it and throwing on a knob ??? would save a ton of time/work and cost but I don't want to do something like that unless I know its not ganna mess anything up... seems a bit ghetto to take a saw to the inside of your car...
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:18 PM
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Check out the Lancer Shop Short Shifter and Bushing Kit. It is really cheap (less than $150 for everything) and makes a huge difference. Do a search and you can see the reviews. It will be much more balanced than the chop off an inch or so stock shifter.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:58 PM
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I personally would'nt cut the stock one. There is a block ring that is welded 2 inches down from the top of the shifter.

So if you cut it, there is not much shaft that you can re- thread it with and put a knob on.
You could probably get a way just cutting 1/2 inch off. But I don't know if it's enough for your liking.

$ 150 is a great price with bushings. I'd take that offer. I paid $ 140 + shipping for just the shifter. But that was last year.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 08:03 PM
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how hard is it to install? I've never done it before
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentinal
I have a stock Evo and was wanting to improve a few basic things (as cash allows) and a short throw shift was one of them. After driving an 350Z and S2000 I decited this was deffinately something I wanted to fix on my car.

I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?

Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
I would not recommend cutting the shifter because it will only reduce the shifter height and put stress on your wrist/hand when shifting. Short shifters alters the shift stoke by moving the pivot point or fulcrum up an inch or two depending on the brand. I bought a kartboy shifter and I'm very happy with it, it reduced the throw by 25% and it is not notchy compared to the stock shifter and it is 100% bolt on and no cutting, trimming of the plastic shifter assembly compared to the B&M which needs modifications. Goodluck
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:21 PM
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how hard is it to install? I've never done it before
The Lancershop kit is fabulous. Installation requires only a few hand tools, reasonable coordination, attention to detail and patience. You can knock it out on a Saturday morning.

See this thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99196
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:33 PM
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I would definitely suggest a short throw, whichever you go with, I run a b&m standard model short throw just because I got a sweet deal on it used. Also I highy recommend metal shifter base bushings from lancer shop and the Kartboy poly shifter linkage bushings. Seems to be a nice combo. I run this combination so I can honestly say it feels remakable. I'm sure other bushings and shifters are of high quality as well but I have no personal experience with them.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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Ok well hopefully I can handle this... sounds harder than changing spark plugs but easier than a stereo system...

thanks for the help and advice... I didn't think cutting was a good idea...
Also I didn't realize the B&M kit required additional modification....

I was hoping for a bit more than a 25% reduction in throw... but if its not posible without modification of the kit or my car then I am not interested.

any other advice or how to pics would be greatly appriciated
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:37 PM
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oguratevo was talking about the B&M Precision Sport Shifter which is there adjustable model. Adjustable short throw shifters require some modification to the car as I understand but the standard short throws offered from B&M and Lancer Shop do not require you to cut anything, they pop right in

edit: sorry forgot to mention the Kartboy should be a direct fit as well for Kartboy

Last edited by mitsuorder; Sep 21, 2004 at 12:24 PM.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:43 AM
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get the kartboy.its really been nice to me
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sentinal
I was hoping for a bit more than a 25% reduction in throw... but if its not posible without modification of the kit or my car then I am not interested...any other advice or how to pics would be greatly appriciated
The LS kit reduces throw by 30%. Further reductions would require considerably more shifting effort. The LS kit seems to be a perfect compromise because between throw travel and effort, as any greater effort would begin to make driving feel like work.

IMO, the two complete solid bushing sets that come with the LS kit are absolute tops. Solid bushings all the way around are the way to go if you want the thing to give that serious rifle bolt action that feels like a real rod shifter. It ROCKS.

Just use this handy article as an installation guide: https://www.evolutionm.net/features/...vomfeatures/42

Everything here applies except that you don't need to fiddle with the LS kit rod like you need to do with the B&M setup. You just remove the factory rod assembly and swap in the LS one. Also, with the LS kit, you won't need the 3mm hex wrench, retaining ring pliers, or a grinding wheel(!).
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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I'm all for Lancer Shop and Kartboy but I want to clarify that Ted B and others talking about modifications need for the B&M short throw are speaking of the B&M adjustable short throw, their standard model does not differ much in design from the LS and Kartboy.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:30 PM
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Just installed B&M last night, its so much better than stock, but in my opinion, all short shifters are going to be pretty much the same, so find the best price!!
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