question about short shifters
question about short shifters
I have a stock Evo and was wanting to improve a few basic things (as cash allows) and a short throw shift was one of them. After driving an 350Z and S2000 I decited this was deffinately something I wanted to fix on my car.
I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?
Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?
Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
B/M shifters are about 1" - 1"1/4 shorter than stock.
So if you cut the stock shifter, you'd be getting the same lenght throws as the B/M.
Switching to a shorter shifter would yeild [B]lessB] leverage during shifting. It's like turning a nut with a longer ( stock shifter ) wrench compared with a shorter ( B/M ) one.
I have a B/M in mine. It's a little harder to shift but you'll get use to it. I like the shorter more positive throws though. I'ts a good trade off though since I use to own a supercharged GSR with a short shifter.
So if you cut the stock shifter, you'd be getting the same lenght throws as the B/M.
Switching to a shorter shifter would yeild [B]lessB] leverage during shifting. It's like turning a nut with a longer ( stock shifter ) wrench compared with a shorter ( B/M ) one.
I have a B/M in mine. It's a little harder to shift but you'll get use to it. I like the shorter more positive throws though. I'ts a good trade off though since I use to own a supercharged GSR with a short shifter.
so whats the down side to just cutting it and throwing on a knob ??? would save a ton of time/work and cost but I don't want to do something like that unless I know its not ganna mess anything up... seems a bit ghetto to take a saw to the inside of your car...
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Check out the Lancer Shop Short Shifter and Bushing Kit. It is really cheap (less than $150 for everything) and makes a huge difference. Do a search and you can see the reviews. It will be much more balanced than the chop off an inch or so stock shifter.
I personally would'nt cut the stock one. There is a block ring that is welded 2 inches down from the top of the shifter.
So if you cut it, there is not much shaft that you can re- thread it with and put a knob on.
You could probably get a way just cutting 1/2 inch off. But I don't know if it's enough for your liking.
$ 150 is a great price with bushings. I'd take that offer. I paid $ 140 + shipping for just the shifter. But that was last year.
So if you cut it, there is not much shaft that you can re- thread it with and put a knob on.
You could probably get a way just cutting 1/2 inch off. But I don't know if it's enough for your liking.
$ 150 is a great price with bushings. I'd take that offer. I paid $ 140 + shipping for just the shifter. But that was last year.
Originally Posted by Sentinal
I have a stock Evo and was wanting to improve a few basic things (as cash allows) and a short throw shift was one of them. After driving an 350Z and S2000 I decited this was deffinately something I wanted to fix on my car.
I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?
Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
I hear B&M makes good short throw shift kits that significantly reduce throw and height any thoughts on this?
Also a friend of mine who owns a subie cut the top 2 inches off the top of his stock shifter and attached a universal aftermarket knob. This reduced height and throw in his shift. What are some of the problems with doing this?
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Originally Posted by Sentinal
how hard is it to install? I've never done it before
See this thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99196
I would definitely suggest a short throw, whichever you go with, I run a b&m standard model short throw just because I got a sweet deal on it used. Also I highy recommend metal shifter base bushings from lancer shop and the Kartboy poly shifter linkage bushings. Seems to be a nice combo. I run this combination so I can honestly say it feels remakable. I'm sure other bushings and shifters are of high quality as well but I have no personal experience with them.
Ok well hopefully I can handle this... sounds harder than changing spark plugs but easier than a stereo system...
thanks for the help and advice... I didn't think cutting was a good idea...
Also I didn't realize the B&M kit required additional modification....
I was hoping for a bit more than a 25% reduction in throw... but if its not posible without modification of the kit or my car then I am not interested.
any other advice or how to pics would be greatly appriciated
thanks for the help and advice... I didn't think cutting was a good idea...
Also I didn't realize the B&M kit required additional modification....
I was hoping for a bit more than a 25% reduction in throw... but if its not posible without modification of the kit or my car then I am not interested.
any other advice or how to pics would be greatly appriciated
oguratevo was talking about the B&M Precision Sport Shifter which is there adjustable model. Adjustable short throw shifters require some modification to the car as I understand but the standard short throws offered from B&M and Lancer Shop do not require you to cut anything, they pop right in 
edit: sorry forgot to mention the Kartboy should be a direct fit as well
for Kartboy

edit: sorry forgot to mention the Kartboy should be a direct fit as well
Last edited by mitsuorder; Sep 21, 2004 at 12:24 PM.
Originally Posted by Sentinal
I was hoping for a bit more than a 25% reduction in throw... but if its not posible without modification of the kit or my car then I am not interested...any other advice or how to pics would be greatly appriciated
IMO, the two complete solid bushing sets that come with the LS kit are absolute tops. Solid bushings all the way around are the way to go if you want the thing to give that serious rifle bolt action that feels like a real rod shifter. It ROCKS.
Just use this handy article as an installation guide: https://www.evolutionm.net/features/...vomfeatures/42
Everything here applies except that you don't need to fiddle with the LS kit rod like you need to do with the B&M setup. You just remove the factory rod assembly and swap in the LS one. Also, with the LS kit, you won't need the 3mm hex wrench, retaining ring pliers, or a grinding wheel(!).
I'm all for Lancer Shop and Kartboy but I want to clarify that Ted B and others talking about modifications need for the B&M short throw are speaking of the B&M adjustable short throw, their standard model does not differ much in design from the LS and Kartboy.







