Turbotrix’s Free Flashing dyno day was awesome!!!
Originally Posted by XxBLACKMAMBAxX
Yeah I was happy with my car at first, it made 10whp more then what i came in on, (let me note its not a fair comparison because I added cams the day before the TT tune and was not previously tuned for them). BUT, later on Saturday night when the weather cooled down, I was having problems with the new tune. I hit fuel cut, or it least it felt like fuel cut as it would feel on a DSM, about 5 times that night. Each time I turned down the boost more, until I am now at stock boost and it hasnt cut out again. I also havent driven it in cooler weather again since, so I dont know what will happen. I feel the tune is a little unsafe for me at this point, because my car NEVER hit fuel cut BEFORE the TT tune. NEVER, in 7900 miles, and running 26 psi on C16, did it ever cut out before. SO something is def not right. I am going to get it retuned at Pruven tomorrow, I will post up the before and after Dynosheets. I feel Al tunes a little safer esp for someone like me who runs very high boost at the track, the richer AFR provides a better margin of safety. Either way, my car doesnt feel as smooth as it did before and the cutting out issue is def causing concern for me. Not trying to bash on anyone, they just have very differnt tuning methods it seems. I will let everyone know what happens tomorrow...
Mark
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Im sure ken can chime in and answer that for you ,, since he's tuned so many fast evo's ..
Mark
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I understand the hostility but please don't get this thread closed. I am sure if we all remain civil, we can all learn alot. Especially ignorant people such as myself
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Mark - you ruined my whole day!
This is a father / son deal so please no sermons on racing.
Saturday my son and I went to Turbo-trix. I went for a race gas map and Subievolved went to reflash his computer since he was unsatisfied with a pervious tuners results.
Anyway- one the was there my modded '03 WRX (not an STI) and his modded '04 EVO did a little baseline testing. We stayed neck and neck - he couldn't pull on me at all.
Now Mark warned me the ride home might be different - it was. Mark and Erik - you ruined my whole day. On the way home we did the same thing a few times and I kept thinking I must have missed a shift or something. Those additional 50 horses from stock and the tranny were certainly evident. It reminded me of the EVO-STI shootout at Englishtown.
Don't know how I feel. I helped him get his car faster and now I'm depressed even though it's all in the family.
Joe
This is a father / son deal so please no sermons on racing.
Saturday my son and I went to Turbo-trix. I went for a race gas map and Subievolved went to reflash his computer since he was unsatisfied with a pervious tuners results.
Anyway- one the was there my modded '03 WRX (not an STI) and his modded '04 EVO did a little baseline testing. We stayed neck and neck - he couldn't pull on me at all.
Now Mark warned me the ride home might be different - it was. Mark and Erik - you ruined my whole day. On the way home we did the same thing a few times and I kept thinking I must have missed a shift or something. Those additional 50 horses from stock and the tranny were certainly evident. It reminded me of the EVO-STI shootout at Englishtown.
Don't know how I feel. I helped him get his car faster and now I'm depressed even though it's all in the family.
Joe
Originally Posted by CleveBrownsFan
I understand the hostility but please don't get this thread closed. I am sure if we all remain civil, we can all learn alot. Especially ignorant people such as myself
it was not directed towards you. Please feel free to PM with your questions I will try to answer them.
My best
Eric
Originally Posted by CleveBrownsFan
I understand the hostility but please don't get this thread closed. I am sure if we all remain civil, we can all learn alot. Especially ignorant people such as myself
You asked me the day of the tune if 11.5 was safe.. I believe you have a cat. 11.5 which is more then safe without a cat ... but through a cat is about 11.2 .. I dont really understand why when you asked me .. and i told you. Then you posted up here to ask ... whom ? people that dont tune evo's everyday? What i told you was true. I would of never sent you on your way with a dangerous AFR...
Other people reflash using the same ignition maps and fuel maps. Which is very dangerous. I use a much more conservative secondary ignition and fuel map. Should the car ever get bad gas and ping.. the car would kick to the secondary ignition map and fuel map, which would take the car to 10.0 afr ...
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Im sure you couldnt have popped a vacuum line off or a pipe come loose .. naa impossible.. Im sure it just retuned itself when it got cold. Good luck at pruven
Mark
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Originally Posted by XxBLACKMAMBAxX
Mark, come on man thats a lame excuse. I ownd DSMs for years before the Evo, I know that fuel cut is more prominant in the colder weather. Im was not trying to bash you in any way and was grateful for the opportunity to get a free tune, Im just stating exactly what I experienced. I did not say Dynoflash or TT is better, I wanted to just go with the mail in flash more for the convieniance, but Al said just come in and get dynod at no extra charge, so why not? I even asked you about fuel cut being removed before my car touched the dyno that day, and you said it was. If it was a vaccum leak like you say, why would it only happen in colder weather, under full boost, in 4th or 5th gears only where the load is greatest? And why would suddenly, at 22 psi me pop line off, coincidently the same day I got tuned by you, when I have run 26 psi previously with no issues. IM NOT TRYING TO START ANOTHER WAR HERE. Just stating what is happening to MY car, everyone else might be loving their new tune but I am not.
Hey ..
just checked your map .. for some reason your boost cut wasnt taken out. My apologies.. If you want me to take it out .. no problem. You should of called me and i would of checked it. I was suggesting a vacuum line only because it wasnt doing it on the dyno. But after reading your thread about 4th and 5th gear .. i checked your map. Again sorry .. if you would like it taken out .. would take me 2 mins ..
Mark
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
I would suggest taking a tuning course, or maybe come down and i'll teach you..
Mark
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If you are ever serious about this, I'd be all about it !
I can testify to the fact that the mail-in DYNOFLASH that was setup while Al was down here runs above 12.0:1 once I near redline. This was tested on my AEM Wideband. Since I'm stuck with this crappy tune until I either take it to the dealership to remove it or if Turbotrix is kind enough to redo it for me through the mail.
Bryan
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Actually ken ..
two of the cars i tuned ran 12.5 from al .. up top. Is that safe ??? Dont go posting on here until you know your facts. I have all the dyno sheets with air / fuel .. which i'll post up for you to see. I did the day to help people out that were unsatisfied.. Dont post up something you dont know about. If the ecu was pulling timing wouldnt it make less hp then it came in at the same boost ??? None of the boost controler were touched. Even the car with the cams did a base run before we started. Since you know so much ,,, running 11.8 through a cat is about 11.5 before a cat .. But im sure you knew that.
I would suggest taking a tuning course, or maybe come down and i'll teach you..
Mark
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two of the cars i tuned ran 12.5 from al .. up top. Is that safe ??? Dont go posting on here until you know your facts. I have all the dyno sheets with air / fuel .. which i'll post up for you to see. I did the day to help people out that were unsatisfied.. Dont post up something you dont know about. If the ecu was pulling timing wouldnt it make less hp then it came in at the same boost ??? None of the boost controler were touched. Even the car with the cams did a base run before we started. Since you know so much ,,, running 11.8 through a cat is about 11.5 before a cat .. But im sure you knew that.
I would suggest taking a tuning course, or maybe come down and i'll teach you..
Mark
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Im sure ken can chime in and answer that for you ,, since he's tuned so many fast evo's ..
Mark
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Mark
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Going to get the uego soon and come back up for street tune. Alberto and I are stuck in the 12.0-12.1 range. Just a little more and we should be there 
. Tell the crew I said whats up. Shane
Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Hey ..
just checked your map .. for some reason your boost cut wasnt taken out. My apologies.. If you want me to take it out .. no problem. You should of called me and i would of checked it. I was suggesting a vacuum line only because it wasnt doing it on the dyno. But after reading your thread about 4th and 5th gear .. i checked your map. Again sorry .. if you would like it taken out .. would take me 2 mins ..
Mark
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just checked your map .. for some reason your boost cut wasnt taken out. My apologies.. If you want me to take it out .. no problem. You should of called me and i would of checked it. I was suggesting a vacuum line only because it wasnt doing it on the dyno. But after reading your thread about 4th and 5th gear .. i checked your map. Again sorry .. if you would like it taken out .. would take me 2 mins ..
Mark
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Actually ken ..
two of the cars i tuned ran 12.5 from al .. up top. Is that safe ??? Dont go posting on here until you know your facts. I have all the dyno sheets with air / fuel .. which i'll post up for you to see. I did the day to help people out that were unsatisfied.. Dont post up something you dont know about. If the ecu was pulling timing wouldnt it make less hp then it came in at the same boost ??? None of the boost controler were touched. Even the car with the cams did a base run before we started. Since you know so much ,,, running 11.8 through a cat is about 11.5 before a cat .. But im sure you knew that.
I would suggest taking a tuning course, or maybe come down and i'll teach you..
Mark
Turbotrix Racing
two of the cars i tuned ran 12.5 from al .. up top. Is that safe ??? Dont go posting on here until you know your facts. I have all the dyno sheets with air / fuel .. which i'll post up for you to see. I did the day to help people out that were unsatisfied.. Dont post up something you dont know about. If the ecu was pulling timing wouldnt it make less hp then it came in at the same boost ??? None of the boost controler were touched. Even the car with the cams did a base run before we started. Since you know so much ,,, running 11.8 through a cat is about 11.5 before a cat .. But im sure you knew that.
I would suggest taking a tuning course, or maybe come down and i'll teach you..
Mark
Turbotrix Racing
However, lets face the reality of the situation here, you never came up with this dyno day to post objective results or "help" these people, you did this to promote your business and try and bash Dyno Flash. It is not a suprise that the fact that at least these two owners have changed parts before your testing, thereby, throwing off the tunes is a fact that you have neglected to mention or discuss.
The reality is that all your power gains that you have made came from running significantly leaner a/f ratios. I can attest that Dyno Flash has tuned over a hundred evos here at Pruven alone and I know of NO reported engine failures from his tuning. The customers should decide for themselves if they are comfortable with your very lean menthod of tuning as shown in your dyno sheets which you have posted in the past.
Ken@Pruven
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