Turbotrix’s Free Flashing dyno day was awesome!!!
Originally Posted by bryans2k
I can testify to the fact that the mail-in DYNOFLASH that was setup while Al was down here runs above 12.0:1 once I near redline. This was tested on my AEM Wideband. Since I'm stuck with this crappy tune until I either take it to the dealership to remove it or if Turbotrix is kind enough to redo it for me through the mail.
Bryan
Bryan
Originally Posted by prostockCRX
Mark - when you are starting with two Dyno Flash tuned cars which the owners are representing that they changed parts (makaveli - HKS RS Intake vs. Stock Air Box) and (blackmamaba - Cams) shortly before they came to the dyno then the results are meaningless. Changing parts as significant as an intake and / or cams as the case may be totally throws off the tune, hardly an objective test.
However, lets face the reality of the situation here, you never came up with this dyno day to post objective results or "help" these people, you did this to promote your business and try and bash Dyno Flash. It is not a suprise that the fact that at least these two owners have changed parts before your testing, thereby, throwing off the tunes is a fact that you have neglected to mention or discuss.
The reality is that all your power gains that you have made came from running significantly leaner a/f ratios. I can attest that Dyno Flash has tuned over a hundred evos here at Pruven alone and I know of NO reported engine failures from his tuning. The customers should decide for themselves if they are comfortable with your very lean menthod of tuning as shown in your dyno sheets which you have posted in the past.
Ken@Pruven
However, lets face the reality of the situation here, you never came up with this dyno day to post objective results or "help" these people, you did this to promote your business and try and bash Dyno Flash. It is not a suprise that the fact that at least these two owners have changed parts before your testing, thereby, throwing off the tunes is a fact that you have neglected to mention or discuss.
The reality is that all your power gains that you have made came from running significantly leaner a/f ratios. I can attest that Dyno Flash has tuned over a hundred evos here at Pruven alone and I know of NO reported engine failures from his tuning. The customers should decide for themselves if they are comfortable with your very lean menthod of tuning as shown in your dyno sheets which you have posted in the past.
Ken@Pruven
im confused..how would you know what customer air/fuel they came in with. Because now that you mention it two of them were 12.5 afr .. and they left with 11.5 .. I dont know how you can come on and say i tuned X car leaner and made more power. Im very confused .. maybe you can clear it up. So lets do some math.. Car comes in 12.5AFR ..and leaves 11.5 AFR same boost .. more power. Im glad you can attest to no problems with dyno flash. The 10 people i tuned had a different story. The point of the dyno was to help people out, which we did ...
after i post up the graphs .. then you can comment on what cars were "significantly leaner " to make power.
Mark
Turbotrix
Originally Posted by prostockCRX
Mark - when you are starting with two Dyno Flash tuned cars which the owners are representing that they changed parts (makaveli - HKS RS Intake vs. Stock Air Box) and (blackmamaba - Cams) shortly before they came to the dyno then the results are meaningless. Changing parts as significant as an intake and / or cams as the case may be totally throws off the tune, hardly an objective test.
However, lets face the reality of the situation here, you never came up with this dyno day to post objective results or "help" these people, you did this to promote your business and try and bash Dyno Flash. It is not a suprise that the fact that at least these two owners have changed parts before your testing, thereby, throwing off the tunes is a fact that you have neglected to mention or discuss.
The reality is that all your power gains that you have made came from running significantly leaner a/f ratios. I can attest that Dyno Flash has tuned over a hundred evos here at Pruven alone and I know of NO reported engine failures from his tuning. The customers should decide for themselves if they are comfortable with your very lean menthod of tuning as shown in your dyno sheets which you have posted in the past.
Ken@Pruven
However, lets face the reality of the situation here, you never came up with this dyno day to post objective results or "help" these people, you did this to promote your business and try and bash Dyno Flash. It is not a suprise that the fact that at least these two owners have changed parts before your testing, thereby, throwing off the tunes is a fact that you have neglected to mention or discuss.
The reality is that all your power gains that you have made came from running significantly leaner a/f ratios. I can attest that Dyno Flash has tuned over a hundred evos here at Pruven alone and I know of NO reported engine failures from his tuning. The customers should decide for themselves if they are comfortable with your very lean menthod of tuning as shown in your dyno sheets which you have posted in the past.
Ken@Pruven
And as far as the cars making more power becouse of more parts. WHO CARES! The real question once agian is are the customers happy? How is the car performing in everyday use? Thats all that matters and if those 2 standards are met then Mark and TT did there job to the fullest. And honestly TT has nothing to hide. They have shown better customer service then any other company on these boards. I have said this once already and i will say it agian " They did not have to do what they did! They seen a problem that AL'S customers were having and they offered to fix it at no cost!" If anything AL should be thanking them for fixing his screw up. You have to understand that those customers still are using AL's product maybe not his tune but still the product. They could have totally gone the other way and went with a whole different sysyem if they wanted to.
Anyway i have been so impressed with TT lately that i have bought multiple parts within the last couple weeks from them just becouse of there customer service they have show on these boards and on the phone.
One other note i would like to post is i have a feeling that this is really AL talking. Looking at previous posts from AL and his word structure and grammar and the way he separates his paragraphs look identical to how your post does. Seeing also that your account is new makes me wonder.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=99679
There is a link to one of his posts. I could be wrong but hey makes me wonder. If not im sorry for starting a accusation.
Chris
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From: milfort ct
Originally Posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Ken the only reason there has not been any engine failures is because of the stock knock sensors ability to pull timing. Not because of great tuning. Mark was not out to bash Al he was out to help the EVO community. I know it might be hard for you to truly beleve it was out of pure intenstions. I'm assure you doing ten cars on the dyno for free with out even charging dyno time is not worth this amount of bullshhit.
Ken stop slinging crap here there is no need. Also you promised some dynofash dyno sheets with A/Fs.
Ken stop slinging crap here there is no need. Also you promised some dynofash dyno sheets with A/Fs.
His a/f is hovering about 11.2 - 11.3 / 1 - this is how his car left Pruven with the Dyno Flash custom tune
Here is his before and after whp and tq sheets
Apparently this is what proports to be his initial dyno pull at Turbo Tricks after he changed his intake for the HKS RS KIT - blue line and - the red line after the Turbo Tricks tune
The figures from the blue line are meaningless as when you change intakes the custom tune is no longer accurate. The main point is that the top dyno sheet is how the a/f looked when it left Pruven
Ken@Pruven
Whats the smoothness factor on both of those different dynoes?? That will make a difference right there. THe graph itself looks pretty accurate if you ask me.
Chris
Chris
Originally Posted by prostockCRX
First of all here is the original dyno sheet of the guy who later switched to the HKS intake
His a/f is hovering about 11.2 - 11.3 / 1 - this is how his car left Pruven with the Dyno Flash custom tune
Here is his before and after whp and tq sheets
Apparently this is what proports to be his initial dyno pull at Turbo Tricks after he changed his intake for the HKS RS KIT - blue line and - the red line after the Turbo Tricks tune
The figures from the blue line are meaningless as when you change intakes the custom tune is no longer accurate. The main point is that the top dyno sheet is how the a/f looked when it left Pruven
Ken@Pruven
His a/f is hovering about 11.2 - 11.3 / 1 - this is how his car left Pruven with the Dyno Flash custom tune
Here is his before and after whp and tq sheets
Apparently this is what proports to be his initial dyno pull at Turbo Tricks after he changed his intake for the HKS RS KIT - blue line and - the red line after the Turbo Tricks tune
The figures from the blue line are meaningless as when you change intakes the custom tune is no longer accurate. The main point is that the top dyno sheet is how the a/f looked when it left Pruven
Ken@Pruven
Originally Posted by prostockCRX
First of all here is the original dyno sheet of the guy who later switched to the HKS intake
His a/f is hovering about 11.2 - 11.3 / 1 - this is how his car left Pruven with the Dyno Flash custom tune
Here is his before and after whp and tq sheets
Apparently this is what proports to be his initial dyno pull at Turbo Tricks after he changed his intake for the HKS RS KIT - blue line and - the red line after the Turbo Tricks tune
The figures from the blue line are meaningless as when you change intakes the custom tune is no longer accurate. The main point is that the top dyno sheet is how the a/f looked when it left Pruven
Ken@Pruven
His a/f is hovering about 11.2 - 11.3 / 1 - this is how his car left Pruven with the Dyno Flash custom tune
Here is his before and after whp and tq sheets
Apparently this is what proports to be his initial dyno pull at Turbo Tricks after he changed his intake for the HKS RS KIT - blue line and - the red line after the Turbo Tricks tune
The figures from the blue line are meaningless as when you change intakes the custom tune is no longer accurate. The main point is that the top dyno sheet is how the a/f looked when it left Pruven
Ken@Pruven
1. Safty
2. Smoothness
3. Power
that should be the tuners priority list.
TT is using a smoothing factor of 0 and im willing to bet Pruven is using a smoothing factor of 5. If you have seen the difference when adding smoothing you would know the huge difference it will make
CHris
CHris
Originally Posted by Evo11V
As I was saying last night before they closed the thread. Take a look at how smooth the dynoflash power is compared to the heartrate looking TT flash. Again just my opinion...
1. Safty
2. Smoothness
3. Power
that should be the tuners priority list.
1. Safty
2. Smoothness
3. Power
that should be the tuners priority list.
Originally Posted by bryans2k
I can testify to the fact that the mail-in DYNOFLASH that was setup while Al was down here runs above 12.0:1 once I near redline. This was tested on my AEM Wideband. Since I'm stuck with this crappy tune until I either take it to the dealership to remove it or if Turbotrix is kind enough to redo it for me through the mail.
Bryan
Bryan
Also if you had a problem you should have took advantage of the free refund option, AL would have been happy to flash you back to stock.
taking your car to the dealer would only void your warrante
Originally Posted by 2k4EvoVIII
TT is using a smoothing factor of 0 and im willing to bet Pruven is using a smoothing factor of 5. If you have seen the difference when adding smoothing you would know the huge difference it will make
CHris
CHris
My dyno sheets
Please, if anybody plans to use my dynosheets in any of their posts, please don't make any comments that might be construed as me being unsatified with Dynoflash or Turbotrix. I am very happy with the tuning I got from both Mark and Al and I don't want anybody using my data to bash either one of them. If you plan to bash, do it without my unwitting help.
thanks.
thanks.
Originally Posted by Evo11V
As I was saying last night before they closed the thread. Take a look at how smooth the dynoflash power is compared to the heartrate looking TT flash. Again just my opinion...
1. Safty
2. Smoothness
3. Power
that should be the tuners priority list.
1. Safty
2. Smoothness
3. Power
that should be the tuners priority list.
The hearate graph your looking at ... the lower HP one is a dynoflash graph.
My list is ..
1. Customer service
2. Safety
3. Power ...
Mark
Turbotrix
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From: milfort ct
The main point I would like to make is that it is totally false to claim that the 9 people who participated in this benevolant Turbo Tricks Free Dyno was were all having "problems" with Dyno Flash. In fact, if you follow the posts the MAJORITY of them said they did not have any problems or issues, but rather wanted to take advantage of an opportunity for a free tune. Its nasty and unfair that Turbo Tricks characterized the people as people who were "screwed" by Dyno Flash. If you read the posts, you will find that most of the people were just taking advantage of a free tuning session. I don't see Turbo Tricks being such nice guys but rather playing a slick marketing tactic.
Here is an example https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=100489&page=1
More are posted here on the last few pages https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&page=12&pp=15
The fact that two of the people changed intakes or cams after they got tuned renders a lot of what they are saying totally meaningless.
Here is an example https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=100489&page=1
More are posted here on the last few pages https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&page=12&pp=15
The fact that two of the people changed intakes or cams after they got tuned renders a lot of what they are saying totally meaningless.
Last edited by prostockCRX; Sep 27, 2004 at 01:31 PM.