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here are the pics of the official tech training book

Old Dec 13, 2002 | 10:12 PM
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...WOULD anyone think they should listen to me. Thus I have put aside telling anyone what I know (which is good 'cuz I don't know any more than you guys now) I have instead decided to promote unsolicited opinions and go for some laughs with the bunch of you yahoos!!

I will, however, give my last little 2-cents here:
The front diff IS NOT an LSD.
End of that question.

also...funniest thing recently written: "Am I the only one horrified by this?!?"

Lastly, I would like to see a full debate on the lumen intensity of the twilight side-running lights as I see this as a really exciting feature and full of potential for debate. Thanks for all the laughs guys!!!!
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 07:04 AM
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mycre8n,

Can you please tell us about the front diff? I promise I will believe you. If not LSD, then what--open diff?
Thanks in advance, mycre8n.

Luderchris
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 07:15 AM
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I think a 5 point harness would be illegal to use on the street. I think it can cause you to use your neck too much in an accident, especially without a helmet and neck support. I doubt the NHTSA would ever allow a car to be sold for street use with one.
I've been digging into the harness issue some more and I believe what we actually have is a case of "for but not with". It was kind of eating at me because I never could figure out how one would make a street legal 5-point harness, but then Chad is usually right on the money with this kind of stuff. The way the training materials are worded I think it was probably easy to make the mistake.

Oh, and for whoever asked, there's nothing on Diamond Dealer Link for the EVO yet. Trust me, I check regularly.
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by mitsupwr
they don't say for sure who is making the turbo but my best guess would be Garrett....
and by the way the 04 oz rally will not be getting a 2.7 but a 2.4 rallyart tuned 160 to 180 hp engine and they say rallyart is not coming for performance but more for cosmetic due to warranty issues.
Funny, that's not what the Salespeople are being told in training. We were told about the 2.7 6-months ago and it was re-confirmed 2 weeks ago. The Galant, Lancer Ralliart, Sportback and Outlander are all getting the new 2.7 for 04'. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is spending money to tune an old motor that won't even be offered anymore in two years when you have a superiro all-new motor available. The 2.4 is going the way of the Dodo. No sense in developing it further.

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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 08:32 AM
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In the Dark?

Originally posted by Mark F

Funny, that's not what the Salespeople are being told in training. We were told about the 2.7 6-months ago and it was re-confirmed 2 weeks ago. No sense in developing it further.
I guess it was something they didn't feel necessary to let us Alabama boys in on, or perhaps the whole Southeastern region. I haven't heard anything about a new 2.7L and whenever the subject of the '04 Lancer comes up the changes are referred to as a "freshening" instead of a redesign. Maybe this 2.7 is destined only for the new Galant as a base motor with a redesigned 3.5 V6 for the high end Galants (and Eclipses) Again, I'm just reaching, not denying what you've heard Mark, just that we didn't hear about it in our training. If you notice the spy shot threads were GlobeCLK was sneaking onto MMSA HQ and saw the Lancer wagon, it appears to be very similar to the current Cedia wagon.
It seems unlikely for a car like this to be released along side a totally redesigned Lancer sedan. Of course, it could be just a test mule with the 2.7 under the hood. I hope they don't do anything drastic, before the Lancer has at least four years on the market in more or less its current form.
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 08:57 AM
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Re: In the Dark?

Originally posted by GPTourer


I guess it was something they didn't feel necessary to let us Alabama boys in on, or perhaps the whole Southeastern region. I haven't heard anything about a new 2.7L and whenever the subject of the '04 Lancer comes up the changes are referred to as a "freshening" instead of a redesign. Maybe this 2.7 is destined only for the new Galant as a base motor with a redesigned 3.5 V6 for the high end Galants (and Eclipses) Again, I'm just reaching, not denying what you've heard Mark, just that we didn't hear about it in our training. If you notice the spy shot threads were GlobeCLK was sneaking onto MMSA HQ and saw the Lancer wagon, it appears to be very similar to the current Cedia wagon.
It seems unlikely for a car like this to be released along side a totally redesigned Lancer sedan. Of course, it could be just a test mule with the 2.7 under the hood. I hope they don't do anything drastic, before the Lancer has at least four years on the market in more or less its current form.
Who did your training?

As far as the 04' Lancer re-design was concerned, we were told very directly "all-new". Now, one's definition of all-new might differ from someone else's, but I can't help but get the feeling there is some dissatisfaction with aspects of the current Lancer design.
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Re: In the Dark?

Originally posted by Mark F

Who did your training?
Ken Cole.

Granted "all new" to somebody like Ford would be like the Mustang's redesign in...I think '94, from the old box body. But underneath it was and still is the same old Fox chassis from 25+ years ago. I would consider all new to be something similar, where at least 60% of the vehicle was changed, like the difference from the '99 to '00 Eclipse or '01 to '02 Montero, where the only thing that came over was the engine. Granted the Japanese market gets to have everything first, which makes the Cedia already three years old, I would think it would still be a couple more years, if not three before an all new significantly changed Lancer appears. It just depends if they are using a four or five year cycle for it. Maybe a new engine and new front and rear fascias are considered all new. But I would think the car would have appeared in the 'Vegas spy shots, but only a currently recognizble OZ can be seen.
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 07:33 AM
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Its pretty amazing to see how many views this post got. I will keep you guys informed as soon as I find out anything else, as for the Mitsubishi people reading these posts- sorry!! If you don't give us solid info (besides the silly "evo is coming" in your website") we will get it ourselves. thank u
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 08:25 AM
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Hmm, a 2.7 in a lancer?
And what is this garett turbo we're talking about. For what car?
Is it a T-25 or T-28? For the ralliart tuned lancer? I'd hope it's a T-28, the T-25 on my eclipse is a nightmare, it's pretty much running at peak efficiency right from factory. Gah, Mitsubishi's strategy, I'll never understand. Why drop your own turbos and pick up your competitor's turbos. Go get IHI's turbos then, they're pretty good.
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 05:34 PM
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how much?

My mitsu dealer said it was gonna start at $35k...then be marked up from there. I hope he was wrong...so is it gonna start under $30k for sure?
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 05:38 PM
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It should start under 30K or 's words are worthless...
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Old Dec 15, 2002 | 09:30 PM
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What's this slide show everyone talking about, where can i view it, lol!!
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Old Dec 17, 2002 | 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by I4K20C
What's this slide show everyone talking about, where can i view it, lol!!
The slide show is a Powerpoint presentation form which this training manual was printed. I very much doubt anyone here has the Powerpoint presentation although I will try to get a copy when I go to sales training in a few weeks.
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Old Dec 17, 2002 | 10:07 AM
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I have it in PDF format.
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Old Dec 17, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Do you realise you pay just a few thousand more for your evo8 than the Japanese do? I'm paying £30,000 for mine. Mind you we get jap spec
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