mitsu denied warranty cause of airfilter and bov
Originally Posted by mattfl
Are you sure you're even old enough to own an Evo? You have the spelling and gramatical skills of a 5th grader.
Anyways, back to the real topic of the thread. ***** you ****ing head off at mitsu! and if not take it to court. Make them prove that the filter and whatnot caused an actual problem. www.sema.org
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Man, you guys can be harsh.
Sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but changing the air filter can change the air/fuel mixture and make it run lean and cause detonation that can cause knock after prolonged use.
Mitsu can void with reason.
If you look at the airbox where the MAF is connected you will see a grid. That grid is to 'straighten' the air flow so the MAF can get a reading that is assumed to be equal across the MAF. When you remove the box, it no longer has that straightening grid and could pull unbalaced air. When you change your intake tract, you should get a tune. With a wideband sensor the mixture can be recalibrated to your new setup. But then again, with a tune, you would still get voided but without breaking your engine first.
Sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but changing the air filter can change the air/fuel mixture and make it run lean and cause detonation that can cause knock after prolonged use.
Mitsu can void with reason.
If you look at the airbox where the MAF is connected you will see a grid. That grid is to 'straighten' the air flow so the MAF can get a reading that is assumed to be equal across the MAF. When you remove the box, it no longer has that straightening grid and could pull unbalaced air. When you change your intake tract, you should get a tune. With a wideband sensor the mixture can be recalibrated to your new setup. But then again, with a tune, you would still get voided but without breaking your engine first.
Originally Posted by mattfl
Name calling now huh, make that the intelligence of a 5th grader as well.
Just to let you know, all service departments are different. The owner of the Mitsu dealer I purchased my car from is part owner in an import shop that has advertisements on this very site. They will do all warrenty work unless a 3rd party part you put on directly affects the claimed warrenty work, which is how it should be.
Just to let you know, all service departments are different. The owner of the Mitsu dealer I purchased my car from is part owner in an import shop that has advertisements on this very site. They will do all warrenty work unless a 3rd party part you put on directly affects the claimed warrenty work, which is how it should be.
PS- Im already loving this forum. People actually put down *******s like mattfl. In my old forum, people like him were the majority.
Originally Posted by mattfl
Are you sure you're even old enough to own an Evo? You have the spelling and gramatical skills of a 5th grader.
MattFL do everyone a favor and don't post anymore if you can't be polite.
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Originally Posted by BMan
Man, you guys can be harsh.
Sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but changing the air filter can change the air/fuel mixture and make it run lean and cause detonation that can cause knock after prolonged use.
Mitsu can void with reason.
If you look at the airbox where the MAF is connected you will see a grid. That grid is to 'straighten' the air flow so the MAF can get a reading that is assumed to be equal across the MAF. When you remove the box, it no longer has that straightening grid and could pull unbalaced air. When you change your intake tract, you should get a tune. With a wideband sensor the mixture can be recalibrated to your new setup. But then again, with a tune, you would still get voided but without breaking your engine first.
Sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but changing the air filter can change the air/fuel mixture and make it run lean and cause detonation that can cause knock after prolonged use.
Mitsu can void with reason.
If you look at the airbox where the MAF is connected you will see a grid. That grid is to 'straighten' the air flow so the MAF can get a reading that is assumed to be equal across the MAF. When you remove the box, it no longer has that straightening grid and could pull unbalaced air. When you change your intake tract, you should get a tune. With a wideband sensor the mixture can be recalibrated to your new setup. But then again, with a tune, you would still get voided but without breaking your engine first.
I think he just has the filter itself and thus would only create more air coming in. I do believe it would make him run lean...but the car runs rich to begin with and besides the EVO ECU has so many safeties built in that any knock should cause no serious harm. i mean thats the reason why aftermarket intakes don't create much of a HP gain cuz the ECU detects the increased airflow and cuts back timing right?
Anywho i thought it was common knowledge that the dealer cannot make any warranty denials on the basis of your intake and catback exhaust modifcations as these don't really affect performance THAT Much. Especially when we are talking about an intake that just removes the filter and box part of the intake and not any pipes or such.
Your BOV is another issue but yeah...what other people said, they have to prove that the BOV is causing your problems which is something i doubt...
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I think the bottom line is the reason mitsu is getting so **** about warranties is because they no longer have the funds to back up every little thing so they try their best to weazle their way out of it. It's bad business and it will nip them in the butt. Just wait. Mod at your own risk. If you do I'd say have it done by a professional shop and be very conservative. If you blow a motor I think your SOL. If you mess up your drive train as long as its with a stock clutch you may have better luck if you know a good dealer. These days though you never know.
Matt
Matt
Originally Posted by Richard EVO
I know this has been posted lots of times before, but a new car mfgr. can't void your warranty for putting on aftermarket parts. If you make a warranty claim, then they have to prove that the aftermarket parts CAUSED the problem that you are complaining about. If they can prove it, then they can deny warranty coverage. That's the law. I believe it's the Magnussen-Ferguson Act, a federal law.
Federal Warranty Laws
1.The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).
1.The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided. The law states in relevant part:
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).
Originally Posted by mattfl
Are you sure you're even old enough to own an Evo? You have the spelling and gramatical skills of a 5th grader.
Originally Posted by evo8buyer
Please learn how to spell "grammatical" before talking about grammar. You know the s*** has hit the fan when someone who can't even spell is criticizing somebody else's spelling. MattFL do everyone a favor and don't post anymore if you can't be polite.
MattFL do everyone a favor and don't post anymore if you can't be polite.
There are lawers that specialize in this sort of thing. Also I belive that most people would agree that paying for damage done by mods is part of the game, BUT voiding the warranty for things not connected to the mods is not a way to build customer loyalty. Its things like this that **** me off......."well, you used an unapproved wax to wax your car that made it go faster thereby putting additional stress on your drivetrain, causing your rearview mirror to fall off which we are not going to cover under warranty". Damn..............
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...#Magnuson-Moss
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...component_id=0
http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=8124
http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...#Magnuson-Moss
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...component_id=0
http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=8124
http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/
OK, here is the lowdown. the BOV will void warranty cause it is a way of controlling boost, and can be a source of water entering intake. at the same time driving into a lake will do the same thing. as for the air filter, i have an hks open filter. i never ever had warranty probs w/ open element filters in my civic, or s-10. but honda and chevy seems to be much more relaxed about this stuff. When i go in for service in a few months, you can be sure that i will put the stock airbox back on.
If you have any doubts, return as much back to stock before you take car in.
If they deny your claim, even magnussen act wont help you cause you gotta go to court to make them fix it, (i.e. sue), and that will probably cost more money than its worth.
If you have any doubts, return as much back to stock before you take car in.
If they deny your claim, even magnussen act wont help you cause you gotta go to court to make them fix it, (i.e. sue), and that will probably cost more money than its worth.
Originally Posted by evo_whiplash
well i returned my car to stock and they still won't do anything for me
as far as the MM act goes...good luck with that...by the time you are done paying a mechanic to tear down your motor and prove the filter didnt cause the damage, and by the time you are done paying court costs for said lawyer, you probably could have paid for the motor to be fixed and made a couple car payments with what was left over...
i think machevo.com sums this all up the best...
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act says that a manufacturer cannot deny a warranty claim because of an aftermarket part, unless the part in question actually CAUSED the problem that the warranty claim is about.
That means that if you install aftermarket shocks, and then your turbo blows, the manufacturer cannot deny you warranty coverage on the turbo. (Unless the shocks somehow directly caused the turbo failure, which defies reason.)
But if you install an ECU chip upgrade that increases turbo boost, and then your turbo fails, the manufacturer could probably deny your claim. It is reasonable to think that increased boost could lead to a turbo failure. (That doesn't mean it does...we have not seen a single turbo failure attributed to an ECU mod.)
Of course, that's just the law. Reality is that the dealer can make life awfully hard on you if you pull in with your lowered car and they decide they're not going to cover your turbo failure just on principle. While the law is on your side, the dealer service department may or may not be. For that reason, we suggest you get to know your local service manager. Be honest with him or her; ask what is the department's policy on aftermarket modifications and warranty service. You'll find a range of stances, from super-conservative ("We don't work on modded cars, ever") to liberal ("Yeah, we even install turbo upgrades here at the dealer!"). Find a service department you can live with.
Note that we do NOT endorse any kind of deception in terms of warranty coverage, including parts-swapping or any other "mod reversal" to try to gain warranty coverage. If you buy an aftermarket part and it causes a problem, it's YOUR problem, and there's no reason the manufacturer should pay for it. If you are modifying the car, be mature and face up to the consequences if the mods DO cause a problem. (For more help on dealing with a warranty repair, see the SEMA web site.)
It sounds simple enough on paper, but there are lots of fuzzy gray areas. What about a clutch problem on a car running higher turbo boost? What about transmission trouble? What if your front ball joints give out and the car is lowered? Did the lowering cause the problem? Or does it happen on lots of non-lowered cars? Be prepared to make your case, and be prepared for the decision to not be in your favor at times. If you really love your warranty and never want to pay for your own repairs, we recommend NOT modifying your car at all.
But if you want to have a fun time taking a great car and making it better, the way YOU think it should be, and you're willing to take your warranty lumps if they happen, then you're our kind of car owner.
That means that if you install aftermarket shocks, and then your turbo blows, the manufacturer cannot deny you warranty coverage on the turbo. (Unless the shocks somehow directly caused the turbo failure, which defies reason.)
But if you install an ECU chip upgrade that increases turbo boost, and then your turbo fails, the manufacturer could probably deny your claim. It is reasonable to think that increased boost could lead to a turbo failure. (That doesn't mean it does...we have not seen a single turbo failure attributed to an ECU mod.)
Of course, that's just the law. Reality is that the dealer can make life awfully hard on you if you pull in with your lowered car and they decide they're not going to cover your turbo failure just on principle. While the law is on your side, the dealer service department may or may not be. For that reason, we suggest you get to know your local service manager. Be honest with him or her; ask what is the department's policy on aftermarket modifications and warranty service. You'll find a range of stances, from super-conservative ("We don't work on modded cars, ever") to liberal ("Yeah, we even install turbo upgrades here at the dealer!"). Find a service department you can live with.
Note that we do NOT endorse any kind of deception in terms of warranty coverage, including parts-swapping or any other "mod reversal" to try to gain warranty coverage. If you buy an aftermarket part and it causes a problem, it's YOUR problem, and there's no reason the manufacturer should pay for it. If you are modifying the car, be mature and face up to the consequences if the mods DO cause a problem. (For more help on dealing with a warranty repair, see the SEMA web site.)
It sounds simple enough on paper, but there are lots of fuzzy gray areas. What about a clutch problem on a car running higher turbo boost? What about transmission trouble? What if your front ball joints give out and the car is lowered? Did the lowering cause the problem? Or does it happen on lots of non-lowered cars? Be prepared to make your case, and be prepared for the decision to not be in your favor at times. If you really love your warranty and never want to pay for your own repairs, we recommend NOT modifying your car at all.
But if you want to have a fun time taking a great car and making it better, the way YOU think it should be, and you're willing to take your warranty lumps if they happen, then you're our kind of car owner.