the new american muscle cars (i.e mustang,gto,changer)all suck.there all heavy,and suck gas better than a hooker on blow.god bless

 

I actually like the new looks of the Mustang. And the Cobra of '04 is certainly nothing to sneeze at. Now the GTO is truly a piece of ****, but its Pontiac, so what can you expect beyond a Cavalier.

As for the new Mustang's technology:

The engine is now all aluminum (I think, correct me if I'm wrong), and is either a SOHC or DOHC. Either way, the technology isn't all bad. The car is pushing 300 to 305 hp (about), which seems inefficient to a turbocharged car such as ours, but keep in mind it is producing significantly more torque and its NA.

The live axle does need to be updated. If they are trying to push this car strictly as a drag car (which it is not yet), then they should stick with the live axle and maybe add a strong running auto. However, if they wish to develop this car as an all around performance machine, they need to work the kinks out of the IRS from the '03 '04 Cobra and tame that wheel hop. The is especially needed if SVT survives and tries to produce an all around (drag, track, etc.) performance car.

The chassis has finally been updated. The previous generation of Mustangs was based on a 25 year old chassis (read flexible and twisty), but the new chassis has been stiffened significantly.

Finally, in terms of performance. 0-60mph in 5.2 seconds is not all that bad for a rwd car with crappy factory tires. Actually, thats pretty good since it could easily be dropped with some stickier tires and a good driver. The trap speeds do not seem to be much higher than the Evo, maybe even lower. I don't know how much the new 'Stang weighs, but it may be hurting trap speeds. Also, the live axle will suck a bit more power from the drive train, so it may have higher losses and that would account for the trap speeds.

In the end, as I've said before, give it a few months and these things will be a-dime-a-dozen. But I still rarely see Evos even though they are on the '05 model year, and that alone puts a smile on my face. Also, until SVT rears its formidable head again, the Mustang will ultimately lag behind many performance cars and it will be expensive to modify to any competitive level.

 

^^^ werd

 

Did I go to the SRT4Forums by mistake? I understand this is a Lancer forum but everytime the Evo is compared to a different car here, you guys become instant fan boys. I myself, actually like the new mustangs considering the last 2 gens were ugly IMO. I also like 300hp and 320lbs TQ even though it might be heavy, but last time I checked the Evo needed a diet too.

 

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I would buy the new mustang if it didn't snow in my area. My only gripe is the front grill is too tall. The headlights, fogs, and grill look like its a 2 feet high.

 

Heh so you say this when a ford is picked over mitsu, but then in SCC mag you don't realize the same exact thing is going on when they pick mitsu 2 years running? Any magazine, unless it doesn't rely on advertisement money from cars they compare, is going to be biased one way or another based on who gives more money to them.


New vettes will crush any exotic, 2005 GTOs will be 400hp, and the new cobras are rumored to be getting the Ford GT motor. What are you smoking bro?

 

Who cares

 

One thing is for sure, the Mustang is hands down better looking.

 

Americans didn't invent stupidity, we just cornered the market for it.

As far as the new Mustang taking top honors, I mean really, it was bound to happen. The previous Fox body had been around since what, 1975 or so? You gotta throw them a big bone for finally starting from scratch.

You gotta give ford some credit. They get some serious mileage (no pun intended) out of their platforms.

 

The new GTO is still going to suck by virtue of being a GTO. With the 400 hp LS2 engine they will be lucky to run consistent low 13s. I don't know why its like this, but somehow Pontiac engineered all the speed out of them.

The new Cobras are just a rumor. No one knows for sure what is going to happen to SVT, not even on svtperformance.com. So stop feeding everyone more of your bull****. Further, and this is assuming SVT gets going again somewhere in the near future, how in the hell are they going to take a motor from a $150,000 car and drop it into a $30,000 car? They would if they wanted to jack the price of the Cobra up to around $60,000 or more, but they would alienate their primary demographic. So don't expect any 500hp 5.4 liter supercharged Cobras to be running out of the factory anytime soon.

Finally, yes, the new Corvette kicks some serious ***. The new Z06 will wail on just about everything including the Viper (or at least it will compete very well with it).

 

yeah and the Acura RL is better than the Evo?

not in my book.

 

Well, not in terms of performance, but for the average reader they probably are better.

Keep in mind these awards not given out after some performance based competition (the only competition I really care about). The is the "Readers' Choice" awards, meaning what cars does the majority of America like. The Corvette and Mustang are both American Icon-type cars, as well as being of a brand new design for the '05 year. As such, I would expect many of the R&T readers to love the cars. It is a similar situation with the Acura RL. Its a new, very nice luxury car from a well known and reputable manufacturer, so it bodes well with the readers of R&T.

Frankly, I'm surprised the Evo MR even made the list. The car is relatively unkown outside of performance circles, and it certainly doesn't appeal to the average car owner. Add to that the majority of the cars in that article are either completely new (the Elise) for this year, or have been seriously restyled (the Corvette and Mustang), while the Evo still has the same appearance. Overall I'm just happy the the Evo made the list.

Now, if this had been a performance competition, and the Mustang, 300C, and RL finished with faster quarter miles, lap times, better handling and braking, I would be upset. But, I don't see that happening any time soon.

By the way, is there an STI on that list? Ha Ha, I didn't think so.

 

Because we didn't have 5 threads spamming people to go vote on our boards like you guys do any time there is some type of voting contest.

 

Dude...you drive a Mitsubishi, not a Benz. You sound like the leader of a militant wing of Mitsubishi Motor Corp or one of those self-loathing import fan boys that thinks anything American made is, by nature, inferior.

Have you ever been in a GTO? Have you ever driven a GTO? Have you ever seen what an '05 GTO can do?

The '05 model is a fugging beast. So much so that Pontiac can't sell anymore '04 models and are dropping prices lower than the new Mustang. These cars are fast and pretty nimble. However, like most American cars in the $25k-$35k price range, handling was sacrificed for ride quality. With some simple suspension mods...sway bars, wider rims, tires, etc...the GTO is an absolute blast to drive.

My brother in law traded in his '04 GTO for an '05. Both cars are extremely well made. The power is awesome, the feel from the driver seat is amazing, and the interior is better than anything I've ever seen from Pontiac. He put headers, true dual exhaust, and a crossover pipe on his '05. He put an easy buslength on my stage 2 '04 SRT-4 in a quick 45mph - 90mph sprint.

There's nothing wrong with a GTO or an Evo. They're both purpose built hot rods. Pontiac may suck ***** but so does Mitsubishi. Get over yourself.

 

umm price?