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Old May 14, 2002 | 04:33 PM
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Jocce,

Few questions for you.. is the car on the road yet? If you dont mind me asking how much did the whole project set you back? and lastly what kind of alarm do you have on that badboy because if it costs as much as i think it does the alarm would want to shoot thunderbolts out of the exhaust to keep those nasty scumbags away!

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Old May 14, 2002 | 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by shacko
Jocce,

Few questions for you.. is the car on the road yet? If you dont mind me asking how much did the whole project set you back? and lastly what kind of alarm do you have on that badboy because if it costs as much as i think it does the alarm would want to shoot thunderbolts out of the exhaust to keep those nasty scumbags away!

Cheers

Shacko
1. The car is on the road ... but only for testing ... it should be completely finished in 1-2 weeks ... there are always lots of small things to adjust to make it 100% finished ... But enginewise and transmissionwise it´s finished tomorrow ... I will do my first 402m race this weekend ...

2. It has costed me quite much money ... ... How much??? ... you don´t want to know ... actually I don´t want to discus that with someone who don´t know all the thing that are done to the car ... I can tell you that 1 person has worked with this car almost 6 months 7 days a week ... then maybe you may have a hint about what money and mods. we are talking about ... When I´ve made a spec.list and you have seen it I might tell you yhe sum. ... OK???

3. No alarm is fitted yet ... but it will be ... I´m not so worried because I live on the countryside and have my own garage ...

/JoCCe
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Old May 14, 2002 | 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Michaelk
I think I have the problem, the guys who said the car was running 30-40 degrees oiltemp had stuck the oilsensor up their ***!!! Seriously, if the sensor is connected properly, it will show the operating temp, which will be a LOT higher than 30-40 degrees
I belive RalliArt should know were to place the sensor ... don´t you???

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Old May 14, 2002 | 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by evo_dan
JoCCe,
You may have stated this before and I may have not been paying attention but, what kind and size turbo are you running?
Garrett T66 with some minor mods. ... The turbo is capable of approx. 700bhp at 2,5 bar (flywheel) ... My peak is at 2,32 bar on racefuel at the moment ... 2,07 bar on regular fuel ... I must use a harder wastegatespring to get the boost higher than 2,32 bar ... I will order one soon ...

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Old May 14, 2002 | 06:35 PM
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Why Ralliart? Or was it Ralliart Sweden who put it in? If they are anything like their fellow Ralliarts in Europe, then no, I don't think they know where to stick it. Where is the sensor?
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Old May 14, 2002 | 07:00 PM
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Well joCCe good luck with it and give em hell at the track this weekend!

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Old May 14, 2002 | 10:51 PM
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Jocce, dont forget to post the 1/4 mile times!!!

and do you have any dyno results yet?
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Old May 15, 2002 | 03:27 AM
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Hi!

I mounted my SPA oiltemp gauge this evening (Swedish time) to my EVO VI. With the sensor fitted in the oil plug hole.
I drove the car for about 7-8 min and the gauge showed 45 degres C
then I waited for about 10-15 min (on idle) before the gauge showed 60 degres C

Then I did a full acceleration from 50 - 150 km/h a couple of times and the gauge ONLY showed me 58 degres C.

Then I stopped for about 10 min and let the engine idle then the gauge showed me 68 degres C. And this was the maximum temp I could get.

Then I took the car out on the highway and drove soft in 90 km/h for 10 min and then the gauge showed me 53 degres C.

And my car has got the original/standard oilcooler.

So this means that this engine runs to cool, it´s crazy. Did the Mitsu engineers drink alcohol when they developed this engine?

My car is the one that JoCCe has talked about, earlier in this thread

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Old May 15, 2002 | 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by shacko
Well joCCe good luck with it and give em hell at the track this weekend!

I will do my best but this race will be for testing ... I´ve had no time for practice ... the dogbox with the new ratio was fitted today ... and I´ve never tried a dogbox before ... probably there will be time for about 3 runs at the track ... ofcourse I will give you the results ... At this point I´m happy with everything under 11,50 ... later in the season I´m going for the swedish record for 4x4 streetcars which is 11,07@212km/h ... the record was set by a Sierra Cosworth in 2000 ... Shouldn´t be any problem to beat that record when I´ve learned to handle the car properly ...

But I belive there will be some competition this year in the 4x4-class ... some of the cars:

GMC Syclone (11,07@202km/h in 2001 ... approx. 800bhp)
Audi S2 (11,21@211km/h in 2001 ... 621bhp)
Escort Cosworth (606bhp in 2001)
Prospeed Monster EVO (approx. 600bhp)
+ a whole bunch of other cars that not even I know about ...

And they´ve all made some major work to their cars/engines this winter ...

/JoCCe

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Old May 15, 2002 | 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by Memo
Jocce, dont forget to post the 1/4 mile times!!!

and do you have any dyno results yet?
No dony yet ... It will be done during this summer ...

/JoCCe
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Old May 15, 2002 | 03:52 AM
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I saw that Magnus already had installed his SPA-gauge that he had at home instead of the HKS-gauge ... he will get the HKS-gauge on friday but I belive that it will give show the same temp. ...

I just want to add that the outdoor temp. here in Sweden tonight was about 10-15C ...

/JoCCe

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Old May 15, 2002 | 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Magnus EVO VI
Hi!

I mounted my SPA oiltemp gauge this evening (Swedish time) to my EVO VI. With the sensor fitted in the oil plug hole.
I drove the car for about 7-8 min and the gauge showed 45 degres C
then I waited for about 10-15 min (on idle) before the gauge showed 60 degres C

Then I did a full acceleration from 50 - 150 km/h a couple of times and the gauge ONLY showed me 58 degres C.

Then I stopped for about 10 min and let the engine idle then the gauge showed me 68 degres C. And this was the maximum temp I could get.

Then I took the car out on the highway and drove soft in 90 km/h for 10 min and then the gauge showed me 53 degres C.

And my car has got the original/standard oilcooler.

So this means that this engine runs to cool, it´s crazy. Did the Mitsu engineers drink alcohol when they developed this engine?

My car is the one that JoCCe has talked about, earlier in this thread

Regards
Magnus
O.k., you mounted it in the oil plug hole, which means that you get the oiltemp which is at the bottom of the sump, obviously the lowest oiltemp you'll get with heat travelling to the top and vice versa with cold oil. Now if I remember correctly, the sump gets the oil through the oil cooler and then it travels up again. The oiltemp that should be measured is the one which exits the engine, BEFORE the oilcooler, or is that not correct? Also, what temp should the engine run on and most importantly why in your opinion? The Lancer engine is very reliable and I have NEVER heard of any damage done to it for it running too low an oil temp, have you? I'm quite sure that the cooling of the engine oil has been designed adequately by Mitsu, otherwise there would be failures because of that. Oil is only there to lubricate the engine and the main thing is that it flows everywhere freely, meaning that's it's not too cold, which over 50 degrees CERTAINLY isn't and oil has a tiny effect on overall cooling of the engine which the radiator takes care of. The bottom line is that I see no reason what 50 degrees at the bottom of the oilsump has to with the engine being designed wrong, or please write some explanation rather than just stating that it's dangerous...
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Old May 15, 2002 | 09:42 PM
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Thinking about it again, I think the sumpplug is actually an o.k. space to mount it as it will be mixed at a nice rate anyway, still doesn't answer my other questions.
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Old May 16, 2002 | 09:29 AM
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Oil is only there to lubricate the engine

Mike...little comment....one of the major jobs of oils in engines is to take heat away from the engine its self


BTW...in GTRs the operating oil temperature is 70 degs. 75-80 is common during normal driving. IMO if this is the case Evos do run too cold!! My advice to Evo owners is to use lower viscosity oil. And if possible try to measure the oil temperature at various steps of the circulation system...just to get a more accurate idea of whats going on in your engine. Othewise just fit a a thermo...

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Old May 16, 2002 | 01:35 PM
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dino, getting heat away is just a minor part of what oil does, otherwise every car would have an oil cooler, cause otherwise the cooling effects of oil are very small compared to the radiator as there is no designed place for the heat to be released in a system with no oil cooler. O.k., so the Skyline runs at 70 degrees, that is a different engine, who says the Evo isn't designed to run at 50 degrees? Also, I ask again, WHAT are the implictions of having 50 degree oil running though the system rather than, let's say, 70?
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