the people who can wait will eventually get the car for what they want to pay and with the options they want...the STi will have an effect on the price gouging once it is out...

i did tell a dealer about how subaru was not letting dealers charge over MSRP and they got real quite...cause if they charge 5-10 over MSRP u could buy a Sti with cash to spare most likely

i am personally fed up with the way business works in this country...everything is set up to protect the company and screw the customer...

that last part is me getting pissy before work and it should not be commented on

 

i don't ever beleive the Evo will be priced below MSRP for pne good reason...unlike those cars u mentioned the Evo is not produced in the kinda #'s those cars are...remeber the US is getting about 6000 cars this year..how many bugs and Minis r produced for the Us each year?

 

I don't agree, if the Evo sells better than has planned (I'm sure they didn't expect to hit the COVER of the major car rags), they will just up production. Why let the dealers get all the cash for over sticker sales and such due to high demand? Just make more of them and put the money in the company's pocket. 6 months from now, the dealers will be dying to give them away (a 30k razor-thin market car that everyone wants but few can afford). The Infinti G35 just went through the same deal, they upped production of them and now you can't swing a stick without hitting one...

 

I agree with Jonasan50 and LongnFurry...I am not paying over msrp...

Ryan

 

Remember guys.. to us the EVO is the ultimate street car for the rest of the world is a Lancer with big tires that costs 30k.

So if I am looking for a 4 door car and I have 30k to spend why am I going to get and EVO that looks like a 15k dollar Lancer with some tuner parts when I can get a Cadillac CTS or a Lexus IS 300 or even and AWD Jaguar for the same price if not less. That's why Mitsu is only bringing limited amounts of them because the car appeal only to people like us. Not only car tuner but import car tuners. Yes they will be able to ****** some corvette or mustang lover's to buy the car but not many of them, not when a Mustang Mach 1 has 305hp and 320 lb-ft and it cost $30,000

That's my opinion...


Claudio
95 GSX

 

I agree 100%. And I'd even take it a bit further and say that, unless the corvette and mustang guys are willing to deal with a 4door car, there will be very few of them buying Evo's.

I think this car will pretty solidly cater to Rally enthusiasts and to people already in the import "tuner" community who are ready to trade in their hondas and Mitsu's.

SC

 

they can't up production without either

a) reducing production of one of the other markets

or

b) increasing the production compasity of the plant...

neither is likely to happen anytime soon

 

I don't care how they arrive at the final price.
The question is---is the car worth it?
If the sticker was $33999.00 would you buy it?
The specific profit maker is not my concern.
I would rather see a local guy (the dealer) make the money though.
I have said it before "profit is not a sin."
The dealer needs to make money to stay in business.
Would it make you feel better if the dealer made his money by raping you on service?
You critisize others for making money.
Are you sure it is not your own frustration from lack of funds?
I am not trying to be mean I am just puzzled.

 

The maximum number of Evo's Mitsu is cabable of producing for 03' is 5,000 units. Planned initial production was for around 4,600. If there is sufficient demand you might see more cars produced for 04' but not a lot more. Too many specialized parts.

As for pricing, the market dictates what that is going to be. I can recall not too long ago when people assumed the car would have less than 250hp and would sell for $35k yet they were still leaving deposits. Not that they know that the car has a lot more power and toys than what was earlier assumed and the car is $6k less those same folks are *****ing about markups.

Fact of the matter is, many dealers have already sold their entire years allocation before receiving the first car and are making inquiries trying to buy cars from other dealers that still have available units. Some of those dealers will end up buying cars at MSRP from other Mitsuibishi stores. In a market like that, prices will reflect demand. It's that simple.

BTW

I suspect there is very little, if any profit in this car for Mitsubishi. That's not the cars purpose.

 

"If the sticker was $33999.00 would you buy it?"

No.....at that price the STi now becomes a much more palatable choice. And you are right, the final price is of no matter. I could afford to buy 2 Evo's if I wanted to, so money isn't the issue either. But at a point that the price is listed above the MSRP (whatever it may be), and as a wise shopper who doesn't waste his money, I know I would be wasting my money...I also know I could buy the car for it's MSRP with patience and a little work.


"Would it make you feel better if the dealer made his money by raping you on service? "

Ummm, they do, don't they? $75-90 an hour for labor? And certainly remember to take into consideration that Mitsu is trying to tell us that the Evo's are required to be serviced by the dealer only.


Profit isn't a sin in iteslf.....Greed is. Dealers who are artificially trying to hold a price higher than the MSRP are seen by many as being greedy. If you think the dealer isn't making money when he sells at MSRP, you are greatly mistaken.

SC~

 

What if Subaru marks up thier cars?
The Subaru may cost more than a marked up Evolution.
Then do you buy a Mustang?
Maybe the dealer should show their profit/loss statement so you can decide if they are worthy of your business.
No hard feelings, just a different view.

 

The way the poll question is worded does not address value or worth.
It sounds more like class envy to me.

 

Why do you have enough money to buy two Evolutions?
Maybe you are greedy. Why don't you give all your money to charity and buy a Cavalier? It's all relative dude.

 

--For those of you that don't understand why people don't like getting charged over MSRP, I'll try to explain. Its basically the fact that you know the value of what you are buying is significantly lower than what you are forced to pay. Even though the manufacturer of the product is attempting to sell something to you at a reasonable price, the dealer is taking advantage of you because they know that they can. Customers feel cheated, abused, ripped off etc... which is something no one enjoys, especially when paying 30k.

Making a profit is by no means evil, but as customers, we like to think that goodwill, service and customer relations are important... certainly more important than making a fast thousand. The dealerships that I would like to see succeed are those that take the time to build a solid business around making customers happy, not by taking advantage of people whenever possible.

And as far as the comments that say "if you're not willing to pay the price for this great car, go get something else"... I totally agree. Don't reward a dealership for not caring about its customers. Do yourself a favor and take a walk, wait it out. I promise you, the car will be available at the price you want soon enough. That's just the way competition works.

-Tiak

 

SC and Tiak said what i wanted to say...thanks guys