Wow...after reading that pointless rant, I was thinking that your last line should really read, "tool talking"....

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Hey guys I have a said is not the car you are driving is the driver who make the diference. and tha`s a fact that I allready prove with some WRXs hello! and again weight ratio.
everione just want horses and horses. and what are you going to do with the allmost 34hundred pounds that the evo8 weigths. throw it out to the windows. don`t talk like a fanatic be real my friend. I toll this because i know what im talking abouth.
I race in solo cross and ther`s alot of awd cars subarus,toyotas,eclipces gsx etc. that can`t match my times.
Im not a stoplight racer or cow boy i do profecional races, like rallies,solos I,II.
A lancer "cedia" is how mistsubishi in japan call the US lancer. and in japan the cedia comes awd and turbo same as the evo a little less horse power but a little beff up. Like step down Evo. http://www.autoindex.org/model.plt?no=227&***=#
http://www.autosell.co.nz/stocklist.php?dealer_id=1444

 

2fast4u - two words, grammar & spelling....

Fwd cars will never be performance cars - period. There are a number of factors that prevent them from being stellar performers such as wheel hop & weight transfer.

Oh, and lets see the time slips for your victories over the WRXs, or the Solo time results... Unless you are running against some major idiots both the WRX & Evo will own a US Lancer - that's why they are in different SCCA categories.

WRX - 3100 lbs, 227 HP, AWD
Evo - 3250 lbs, 271 HP, AWD
Lancer OZ - 2750 lbs, 140 HP Fwd

good luck!

 

damn straight!
I have seen a modded WRX w/ stock turbo hang (225ish awhp - that's a guess, but an educated one) with with a 335 rwhp single turbo fd simply because you can launch so quickly. the fd pulls ahead in the last 1/16 of the 1/4 mile, but for such a great HP difference the race is much closer then one would expect.

 

ehhh, although I agree with the first statement, the second, I'm not so sure. Our "friends" at Honda have done incredible things with the Intergra and Civic Type R's. I was reading about a top Japan tuner who was tired of seeing CTR's keep up with mighty Skyline's on the road courses and thus they'd decided to build their own giant killer CTR with a monster turbo'd b16b. I think it even had a Japanese version of Calvin pissing on a GTR logo. Though RWD and AWD are easier to make faster, there are exceptions.

The only thing I wouldn't say about any type of car is "never and period."

 

WHAT IF YOU GET ONE AT MSRP

CAN U THEN EXPECT , IF YOU WANTED TO TURN AROUND AND SELL IT ON EBAY FOR A FEW GRAND MORE WITH 2,000 MILES ON IT?????????

 

Are we talking racecars or streetcars? Sure, with enough money and R&D any car can beat any car - that has been proven a countless number of times. But I am talking about streetcars that are lightly modified. FWD cars start with some serious disadvantages to rwd & awd. I wasn't trying to employ that they can't handle well or go fast, cause they can - they just start off with a distinct disadvantages.

 

here is a picture of a honda civic showing
some performance! FWD!

hell yea! im talking street cars that can modifie. even you will do the same on your car. no?

sorry for the errors, iknow my typing is bad, but you get mess. don`t you?

 

No, not really... Are you trying to extol the virtues of fwd vs. awd (and especially rwd) cars? Have you ever driven a properly tuned awd/rwd car? And you still like fwd cars? To each their own, but if you look at GT racing throughout the world (FIA, JGTC, SCCA etc) you will notice a shortage of fwd cars – this isn’t on accident.

And yes, if you are an excellent driver you will beat people in “faster” cars at auto-x. I have been beat by guys in civics and destroyed guys in Vipers & ZR1/Z06 – Solo all boils down to setup, experience, and skill.

And yes, if you dump enough cash into your US Lancer you will be able to go to the drag track and spank stock Evos & WRXs. But if they spend a minimal amount on upgrades, watch out.

 

And people give us a hard time for picking on newbies? I think the reasoning is fairly evident in this thread.

btw, Solo 1 and Solo 2 autocrossing are NOT forms of professional racing. They are amature events.

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I think there is a point missing, see any car can become number 1. This is when money takes it toll. ... But otherwise, unless you have the cash to pay for this kind of improvment, RWD and AWD are lead in this race... Reason is they are more COST effiecent. If you have the cash in your pocket to bring the car in the above picture in the race, than your assumption is correct otherwise, its just talk.

 

Hey look at the stats!! There's only gonna be 7 EVO's on the road so far!! lol

 

You can't make a front wheel drive STREET car handle as well as a fwd race car. To make them go quick they need to be dangerously loose. On the other hand a RWD or AWD can handle just as well as there equivilant race counterparts (with less grip mind you) because they are inherently better balanced and therefore require a less radical set-up to go fast

They compete with AWD and RWD in racing because the get huge weight brakes. Almost every type sedan racing uses some sort of factoring to level the playing field and make the slow cars compeditive. So you can't compair race results

 

I don't understand your retort. I am talking about HIGH DEMAND cars, not the bread and butter cars like the ones you are referring to. I don't sell the ES300 for sticker, get my point?

Hey, please. There is ALWAYS a competitive dealer close by. Whether 2 miles or 150, the customer will shop..(But you know that already, right?!) Less competition allows more profit, I agree, but I am talking supply and demand!!!

Totally false in most markets...see above! It is still a product that carries variable demand. Markets adjust. One minute it is hot, the next it isn't. Could last 10 months, could last 10 weeks. Point is, not charging over MSRP makes everyone pay the same amount on a "in demand" car!! How would you feel if you paid x amount for your car, only to find that someone else got it for less!! Somewhat ****ty! Right? Selling for MSRP eliminates price gouging, and makes sure all clients are treated the same given the market. I repeat....You build credibility with the market and client by doing it this way, too.

What's your point? Should someone selling homes in the 100K range make the same money as the realtor selling 500K homes?! Of course not. The Lexus and Benz client is different than your Saturn or Toyota or Mitsu client. Can you make 6 figures selling Mitsubishis? SURE!!! ASK CONCORDMITSNET!!!! But seriously, you can, you just work harder...It really takes a lot of work to make six figures in ANY career, believe me.

I see your point somewhat. However, Lexus has more markup to begin with, so there is more there to start with. The profit on the EVO will be estimated 2-3K. Would I pay more than that for the car? NO. (although, it looks like I will settle at $500 over to get a car ASAP in the color I want since my "dealer of choice" elected to do thousands over..) I can justify the slight overage. At thosands over however, it gets hairy!!

 

i miss my RWD cars...i can't stand FWD cause of the understeer and the torque steer...i love a car thats a little loose...

i will probaly adjust the Evo to be a little loose...i can control loose better than a push