Buschur has that same turbo setup for $1500 w/o a core!!!!

 

On Buscher's site it says in the description that a core is REQUIRED then at the end it says NO CORE REQUIRED.

 

LOL, maybe i should add more details everytime i post. I do know what the holes are for. I just can't imagine there being enough "meat" to take out a few holes. I also imagined al putting the compressor cover in a vice and taking an electric drill and pressing down on it lol.

 

BAHAHA, that was also the image that popped into my head..

FWIW, I measured the meat on the inducer and there's not really enough to do easily.. I'm sure it can be done if you do it diagonally.. But I think the Essex turbo compressor cover with the surge porting may be a part to check out if you need something like that for a 20G conversion.

To the other poster who mentioned the lancershop turbo.. I supplied a TME turbo to buschur for conversion because I wanted the TiAl turbine wheel, the 20G compressor wheel is still aluminum though.. the only 16G variant turbo that has a alloy compressor wheel is the new JDM IX turbo (magnesium or something).. I'm expecting to see one in my shop early next year.

 

Wow...who built this one

 

yeup, it's magnesium.

 

it's the evo9 rs actually and from what i hear they're been having failures in the uk.

 

Thanks guys! Well if Buschur makes it I know I can't go wrong buying from them!

I'm drooling right now!!

 

He IS the man that's for sure.

 

So far I haven't seen the evidence to support the assertion that the 20G is making "a lot more power" than the more "mild" WR which gives only a "slight" gain. It seems like Al is basing his view on SOTP impressions only, on a car that is extremely modded with a ported manifold, aftermarket O2, test pipe, etc. Even with all of those mods, full boost is at 4200 rpm vs. on my own WR I'm getting full boost at 3100 rpm based on AEM MAP sensor datalogs (even earlier in 5th gear, but I haven't logged a 5th gear WOT pull) with a stock manifold, stock O2 housing and a cat. That's a HUGE difference in spool-up and response that you can really feel on the street.

Also, just looking at dyno and track numbers, the Buschur RS ran 116 mph on 94 octane this summer before the 20G. With the additions of 118 race gas, higher boost, a ported head (20 whp by itself), a built bottom end, more lightening mods (like SSR comp wheels, no bumper supports, etc.) it ran only 4 mph faster. That almost seems like less power than would have been expected from the pre-20G setup on race gas and higher boost.

EDIT: The above paragraph contains misinformation. I stand corrected. Please see Post #162 below.

Buschur Stg 4 + meth setups with WR turbo have put down a sustained 400+ whp curve on dynojets (and 360+ on Buschur's dyno) and run trap speeds of 117+ without significant chassis lightening or an AEM EMS, and with no surging issues. Maybe the 20G will match those numbers...maybe it won't. Who knows because we don't have any decent dyno numbers or track numbers yet. The only dyno number we have for the 20G is the Buschur RS which was bested by Ivan_C's WR car on the same dyno without the leaded race gas (pump + meth instead), without the AEM EMS (stock ECU with piggyback), and without the ported O2, ported TB and ported intake manifold.

Based on all of the info. available, I think there is far from enough evidence to conclude at this point that the WR is more powerful than the 20G, or even as powerful.

I'm a Buschur fan, as my car is all Buschur except for the turbo, but even if I didn't already have the WR, I'd have my doubts about the 20G at this point vs. the WR as a better "stock" turbo. Given the loss of drivabilty and the increased lag, it seems like it's a compromise solution -- which sort of defeats the whole purpose of staying with a stock type upgrade.

If the 20G turns out to be as great as Al thinks it is, I may switch to the 20G from the WR. I hope that turns out to be the case because I'd be much happier about the power gain than the few hundred dollars I'd lose selling my WR. I'd also be happy to have all mods from one tuner. I hope that we start seeing some quantifiable results soon from 20G owners to figure this all out. But until then I'm a 100% satisfied WR owner.

 

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Very good write up. I really want one of these turbo's Wr or Br20g. I have a gt3076 sitting in my room now with injectors,wastegate,intakeand fan. All I am missing is the ex mani. I figured I would give one of these turbo's a try before I go over to the dark side. Mr Buschurs turbo sounds really good, send you core with $800.00 and you have an upgraded turbo. I find that the white rabbit is a little too expensive for the horsepower return. I just want some solid numbers before I make a purchase. I am looking to get minimum 400whp with good driveablity. I think I speak for most of stock turbo guys here.

 

+1 i am in the same boat as you. my goal is the have to best performance on pump and alky. powerwise, it would be nice to have atleast 420-500whp. i am close to purchasing a 3076, but i have seen it over and over again about how its not worth it, according to some people on this site.

i would definitely like to know how the 20g compares to the 3071. these two seem to have similar results, powerwise, but im not sure where they would differ. would the 3071 beat the 20g on the top end?

i wish i could just get the 35r, but my elevation is over 6000ft, so i dont think it would work up here, although i am a little curious to know since some people say it can if set up right.

 

The WR and the 20G cost about the same. The car that is being discussed in this thread is a 10.5 TME/20G. That turbo cost $1500 from Buschur -- about the same as the WR. You can get a 20G without the TME, but it's going to spool even slower and make less area under the curve.

 

I rather send my core in and pay the $800. My gt3076 cost me $1250.00 I cant imagine paying $1500.00 for a turbo thats going to flow way less than the 3076. True indeed its a bolt-on, but still I think $1500.00 is a bit steep. I like the fact that Buschur offers the core option. Now if the Wr can make the 400whp without maxing itself out, I will consider it. Right now I am leaning towards the 20g.

 

ummm, to my knowledge, FP offers a core option. I could be wrong, but i could have sworn they would upgrade your core.

And i don't see either of these turbos making 3071 power on pump+alky. Probably very close on pump alone though.