sti vs. evo
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Originally Posted by DreamLike1
Trust me, warr is right here. The XI really is in a different league than the current or past STi's. And magaizines dont even consider modding as a factor, when in the real world most STi's are gunna find themselves up against modded evos, not stock ones.
Sorry STi guys, but even yall cant deny it anymore - The XI owns you.
Sorry STi guys, but even yall cant deny it anymore - The XI owns you.
Sorry Warr, couldn't resist
Last edited by Ike; Jan 22, 2006 at 08:34 PM.
Originally Posted by Ike
The STI absolutely comes out of the hole better, I've driven the STI, WRX, and Evo enough to know the differences in the cars. Drive the STI and Evo on a more slippery surface and it becomes even more clear that the Subaru system is better at getting the torque to the wheels that need it the most.
You're also comparing mag times to claimed times from members here. I'll take mag times where it's the same driver in the same conditions in most cases. I don't like mag racers but what's even worse is comparing what some guy ran in his "stock" car on a message board in who knows what kind of conditions to what some guy halfway across the country ran in a different car at a different track. But if you wish to do that there are guys that claimed to have run 12.9s in their stock 04+ STIs.
As for the road course results, I think you're a bit confused, unless you are claiming the STI usually comes out ahead on a roadcourse in "real life" (I was unaware that magazine editors taking down laptimes at a road course was a fantasy world
). There have been tons of comparisons between these two cars, sometimes the Evo is faster around the track, sometimes the STI is. Even if the Evo is faster most of the time it's an overstatement to make a claim that it's "no contest" even with the higher horsepower of the more recent Evos. The two cars have been very close in performance for years, and they remain that way.
You're also comparing mag times to claimed times from members here. I'll take mag times where it's the same driver in the same conditions in most cases. I don't like mag racers but what's even worse is comparing what some guy ran in his "stock" car on a message board in who knows what kind of conditions to what some guy halfway across the country ran in a different car at a different track. But if you wish to do that there are guys that claimed to have run 12.9s in their stock 04+ STIs.
As for the road course results, I think you're a bit confused, unless you are claiming the STI usually comes out ahead on a roadcourse in "real life" (I was unaware that magazine editors taking down laptimes at a road course was a fantasy world
). There have been tons of comparisons between these two cars, sometimes the Evo is faster around the track, sometimes the STI is. Even if the Evo is faster most of the time it's an overstatement to make a claim that it's "no contest" even with the higher horsepower of the more recent Evos. The two cars have been very close in performance for years, and they remain that way.I will take real-life numbers anyday, because the mag drivers obviously don't know how to launch with the 5k limiter. If there were no 5k limiter, then the mag numbers would favor the IX greatly over the STi. I explained that in detail already, but you brushed over it. I also wasn't talking about just one random guy running a 12.9 in perfect conditions. We've had multiple stock IXs run 12.9s already with just average driving at best. Their 60's were high 1.8s and low 1.9s, when well-driven stock Evos can do mid-to-low 1.7s. Do the math and you see what those 12.9s become. An STi with a 12.9 is with excellent driving after an awesome launch. No comparison really...
A IX has also already hit 12.0 on pump gas with just a tbe ($600), mbc ($85), and mail-in Dynoflash ($299). That's around 1k for 12.0s on pump gas and around 330whp. No comparison again...
I didn't read the road course comparison, so if the Evo "won" in that one particular magazine, that's great, but I'm again not concerned with magazines. I'm only concerned with what happens in real life - the Evo is known to out-handle the STi and is preferred by the better drivers.
I do realize and recognize that the STi is a bad machine, and that it is equal to the Evo VIII in every aspect of performance (within reason), but the IX has just left it in the dust.
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Hey man, if you want to call a few tenths on a road course being blown away, that's your perogative. I see it differently. I also am talking about a drag launch and my points on the launch are about as real world as it gets since I've had a good bit of seat time with the Evo, STI, and WRX.
I'm not saying there much of a difference in the times of the '60 between the STI and Evo, but there is a difference and the STI feels like it launches a little better and is easier to launch. Chalk that up to torque or the rev limiter if you like but even the regular WRX feels like it grabs out of the hole a little better than the Evo despite it being down on horsepower and torque.
If you didn't read nor care about the roadcourse times then you probably shouldn't have commented on it. At no point have I claimed the Evo doesn't handle a little better than the STI, my only contention has been that you hailing the Evo IX as being far superior to the STI (in stock forms) is an overstatement. No doubt the Evo is easier to get power out of than the STI (I've never claimed otherwise), I'd also give the nod to the Evo IX 9 times out of 10 from a roll or in the trap speed department. Hell, I'd even give the IX the edge in the ET department, but it's still close. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate here, if it's annoying to you don't continue.
I'm not saying there much of a difference in the times of the '60 between the STI and Evo, but there is a difference and the STI feels like it launches a little better and is easier to launch. Chalk that up to torque or the rev limiter if you like but even the regular WRX feels like it grabs out of the hole a little better than the Evo despite it being down on horsepower and torque.
If you didn't read nor care about the roadcourse times then you probably shouldn't have commented on it. At no point have I claimed the Evo doesn't handle a little better than the STI, my only contention has been that you hailing the Evo IX as being far superior to the STI (in stock forms) is an overstatement. No doubt the Evo is easier to get power out of than the STI (I've never claimed otherwise), I'd also give the nod to the Evo IX 9 times out of 10 from a roll or in the trap speed department. Hell, I'd even give the IX the edge in the ET department, but it's still close. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate here, if it's annoying to you don't continue.
Last edited by Ike; Jan 22, 2006 at 09:41 PM.
In terms of racing, a few tenths is a lot. A few hundredths and sometimes thousandths is "not a lot." The IX is definitely superior to the STi. If you want to say it's not "far superior," then fine. That's just semantics, but there's no debate that the IX is superior to the STi, just like the IX is superior to the 05 VIII. The 05 VIII is on par with every USDM STi. I also own an 05 MR, and I can admit that every IX is superior to my VIII. That's just how it is, whether people want to admit it or not.
If by saying the STi and WRX get out of the hole better, you aren't referring to 60' times, then I don't understand. First of all, a WRX is just another 2.0, and it has far less torque. I don't see why you would think it gets out of the hole better. You say you've driven them all...perhaps you don't kno whow to launch an Evo? I'm not sure. My 1.66s are rarely surpassed by any Subaru I see at the track, so I'm still skeptical on this idea. Maybe they are easier to launch for the average person? Ok, I can concede that, since I don't know.
If by saying the STi and WRX get out of the hole better, you aren't referring to 60' times, then I don't understand. First of all, a WRX is just another 2.0, and it has far less torque. I don't see why you would think it gets out of the hole better. You say you've driven them all...perhaps you don't kno whow to launch an Evo? I'm not sure. My 1.66s are rarely surpassed by any Subaru I see at the track, so I'm still skeptical on this idea. Maybe they are easier to launch for the average person? Ok, I can concede that, since I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
In terms of racing, a few tenths is a lot. A few hundredths and sometimes thousandths is "not a lot." The IX is definitely superior to the STi. If you want to say it's not "far superior," then fine. That's just semantics, but there's no debate that the IX is superior to the STi, just like the IX is superior to the 05 VIII. The 05 VIII is on par with every USDM STi. I also own an 05 MR, and I can admit that every IX is superior to my VIII. That's just how it is, whether people want to admit it or not.
If by saying the STi and WRX get out of the hole better, you aren't referring to 60' times, then I don't understand. First of all, a WRX is just another 2.0, and it has far less torque. I don't see why you would think it gets out of the hole better. You say you've driven them all...perhaps you don't kno whow to launch an Evo? I'm not sure. My 1.66s are rarely surpassed by any Subaru I see at the track, so I'm still skeptical on this idea. Maybe they are easier to launch for the average person? Ok, I can concede that, since I don't know.
If by saying the STi and WRX get out of the hole better, you aren't referring to 60' times, then I don't understand. First of all, a WRX is just another 2.0, and it has far less torque. I don't see why you would think it gets out of the hole better. You say you've driven them all...perhaps you don't kno whow to launch an Evo? I'm not sure. My 1.66s are rarely surpassed by any Subaru I see at the track, so I'm still skeptical on this idea. Maybe they are easier to launch for the average person? Ok, I can concede that, since I don't know.
Don't forget, the '06 STI also handles better than the '05, and the '05 handles a touch better than the '04. The STI has progressed as well, though not in the power department like the Evo has. Absolutely the Evo IX has a power advantage now over the STI, and most noteably up top, but the STI still has the advantage down low and the torque and power curves on the cars are quite different.
Also, a car getting out of the hole and '60 times are a little different in my eyes. When I say out of the hole I mean the launch, '60 times also incorporate a cars abilty to pull after the initial launch. So just because an Evo might have slightly better 60' time than a WRX doesn't necessarily mean it launches better IMO, even though it's a short distance horsepower still comes into play in that 60 feet. That's just an example, let me go to the strip with the Evo before I really make a call on that one.
I may not have perfected my launch on the Evo yet, but the Evo is my 4th AWD turbo (in 15 years of driving I've only owned a non awd turbo car for 3 of them) car so hopefully it will be perfected quickly. That considered, I think I know how to launch it.
I know you seem to have scoffed at the Magazine results I've posted thus far but here's an article that helped explain the difference I was feeling in the two cars. It's a good read and even though you seem resistant to put any faith in a magazine, these writers are knowledgeable car people.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9052
Lastly, it sounds like you've never launched an STI before, see what you can do about that. Maybe after you drive it you'll have a better idea of where I'm coming from.
Cheers,
Ike
Check it out every autoX racing results... Every time at least twice as much STI shows up. But the results.... Looks like it only one or two made it to the finish line 
There goes your magazine... Go out where is the EVo vs STI happens , forget drag racing. Both cars made for road racing or rally ,neither of them made for drag. 
Like american muscle cars. 
There goes your magazine... Go out where is the EVo vs STI happens , forget drag racing. Both cars made for road racing or rally ,neither of them made for drag. Like american muscle cars.
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I had the Scooby i just sold it ,,, its a reliable *** car but i like the evo better 
.... I live by raceway park and the evos **** onnnn the sti on wrx sti evo shootouttttttt .......... Evo's are easier to hook up and to make faster ... sti is a lil quicker stockk
.... I live by raceway park and the evos **** onnnn the sti on wrx sti evo shootouttttttt .......... Evo's are easier to hook up and to make faster ... sti is a lil quicker stockk
An old thread needs a great re-post reply...
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edmunds video take on: 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX vs. 2006 Subaru WRX STi
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109126
Just for Fun
edmunds video take on: 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX vs. 2006 Subaru WRX STi
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109126
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When it comes down to performance I think they are pretty close except that the Evo's handling kicks the Subi's *** but then you get to modding and $10,000 in an Evo will give you 1,000 hp and $10,000 in an STI gives you 500...
Ok guys, when a STI run a 10 sec 1/4 on stock turbo no nitrous, then we can compare both cars, till then, the EVO IX is superior in stock form and way more impressive if we introduce mods.
Hey man, if you want to call a few tenths on a road course being blown away, that's your perogative. I see it differently. I also am talking about a drag launch and my points on the launch are about as real world as it gets since I've had a good bit of seat time with the Evo, STI, and WRX.
I'm not saying there much of a difference in the times of the '60 between the STI and Evo, but there is a difference and the STI feels like it launches a little better and is easier to launch. Chalk that up to torque or the rev limiter if you like but even the regular WRX feels like it grabs out of the hole a little better than the Evo despite it being down on horsepower and torque.
If you didn't read nor care about the roadcourse times then you probably shouldn't have commented on it. At no point have I claimed the Evo doesn't handle a little better than the STI, my only contention has been that you hailing the Evo IX as being far superior to the STI (in stock forms) is an overstatement. No doubt the Evo is easier to get power out of than the STI (I've never claimed otherwise), I'd also give the nod to the Evo IX 9 times out of 10 from a roll or in the trap speed department. Hell, I'd even give the IX the edge in the ET department, but it's still close. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate here, if it's annoying to you don't continue.
I'm not saying there much of a difference in the times of the '60 between the STI and Evo, but there is a difference and the STI feels like it launches a little better and is easier to launch. Chalk that up to torque or the rev limiter if you like but even the regular WRX feels like it grabs out of the hole a little better than the Evo despite it being down on horsepower and torque.
If you didn't read nor care about the roadcourse times then you probably shouldn't have commented on it. At no point have I claimed the Evo doesn't handle a little better than the STI, my only contention has been that you hailing the Evo IX as being far superior to the STI (in stock forms) is an overstatement. No doubt the Evo is easier to get power out of than the STI (I've never claimed otherwise), I'd also give the nod to the Evo IX 9 times out of 10 from a roll or in the trap speed department. Hell, I'd even give the IX the edge in the ET department, but it's still close. I'm just trying to have a friendly debate here, if it's annoying to you don't continue.
hey man.. i had a STI 2002. in my country... its not the normal STI it didnt have AC no power windows no radio.. n i use to race.. i would say coz of the dif lock da STI will get off da line a little better than a evo.. maybe like 0.02-0.04 sec but thats all da evo will eat da STI after that.. check out the vid link below.. this was done by TOP GEAR.. Evo 8 FQ320 & a STI.. yes in that vid the evo has 4hp more than the STI but wait till da end of da vid & see the old evo FQ 300 was faster than the new STI.. (FQ 320 has 320BHP & STI has 316BHP the FQ 300 has 300BHP).. enjoy
STI vs EVO FQ 320 http://youtube.com/watch?v=b0OVbLkgi4c
Well crap, I must've spent my money at the wrong shop cause I have nearly 10G in my engine and I haven't even reached 500 hp yet....