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Old Jan 22, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GgreyEVOIX
For what its worth I traded in my sti for a IX and couldn't be any happier. I miss the rumble of my sti but I'm sure my new RS-R tbe will keep me happy
Sadly I doubt it will, I think I'll always miss the boxer rumble. We'll see what the next gen STI is like, if it's a hothatch like some rumors indicate it's going to be a hard yet fun choice deciding what to get next.
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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Sadly I doubt it will, I think I'll always miss the boxer rumble. We'll see what the next gen STI is like, if it's a hothatch like some rumors indicate it's going to be a hard yet fun choice deciding what to get next.
Well I know that the evo will NEVER sound as nice as the sti IMO but I have heard some evo's in my area and they sound pretty nice. I'm sure I'll enjoy a catless exhaust and tune on my IX over the same setup on a sti.....
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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from what i have seen is 1/4 mile wise and power wise it seems like the sti overpowers the regular evolution and almost the mr....i was just wondering on your guys honest opinions with the sti vs. the evo....the only bad thing i have heard about the sti is the fact that they dont respond too well to mods...well if i was going to get a sti all i would do most likely is a full exhaust...the fact that they already run low 13s stock a good exhaust might get it into the 12s...to get into the 12s with a evo requires a decent amount of mods...
evoix vs sti???

not a chance
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GgreyEVOIX
Well I know that the evo will NEVER sound as nice as the sti IMO
yeah in stock exhaust form.
start going aftermarket and the evo pulls ahead
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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sti=great on the track, evo=better than the sti on the track
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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it all comes down to the driver in the end
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 04:56 PM
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it all comes down to the driver in the end
Same driver in both cars = Evo. No contest with the IX, although the previous VIIIs were much more even.
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Same driver in both cars = Evo. No contest with the IX, although the previous VIIIs were much more even.
Are you refering to at the strip or at the track? Either way it's pretty damn close and hardly "no contest".

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Old Jan 22, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
Are you refering to at the strip or at the track? Either way it's pretty damn close and hardly "no contest".
Both. I don't see stock STi's trapping 107+mph nor hitting 12.9s with crappy 60's. The VIIIs were even with the STI, but the IX just blow both the VIII and STi away. Have STi's been running 12.7s stock? They usually have trouble running 12.7s for less than $1000 spent on mods...
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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Both. I don't see stock STi's trapping 107+mph nor hitting 12.9s with crappy 60's. The VIIIs were even with the STI, but the IX just blow both the VIII and STi away. Have STi's been running 12.7s stock? They usually have trouble running 12.7s for less than $1000 spent on mods...
Going to be a bit of a mag racer here, but I think it's a good comparo since it's same drivers in the same conditions on the same day. The two mags that have done direct comparisons so far have the STI .3 faster in one and .1 slower in another in the 1/4 mile. This was the MR and I agree the Evo will trap higher more times than not, however the STI will outlaunch the Evo more times than not. It's still a damn close race no matter how you slice it. Just compare the 1/4 times and even the roadcourse times here.
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Old Jan 22, 2006 | 07:19 PM
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Going to be a bit of a mag racer here, but I think it's a good comparo since it's same drivers in the same conditions on the same day. The two mags that have done direct comparisons so far have the STI .3 faster in one and .1 slower in another in the 1/4 mile. This was the MR and I agree the Evo will trap higher more times than not, however the STI will outlaunch the Evo more times than not. It's still a damn close race no matter how you slice it. Just compare the 1/4 times and even the roadcourse times here.
Sorry, but no magazine properly launches the Evo, because of the 5k limiter. The STi has no limiter, so they get to launch it as hard as they want. Actual Evo drivers either learn to remove the switch or learn how to use the 5k limiter as a 2-step launch control. The mags never figure it out, because they just get 3 tries and take the avg (or at least R&T does). The STi does not come out of the hole better, sorry. That's a wive's tale based off their 2.5l and torque figures.

Remember that 03/04 Evos were running 13.3s, then the 05s were running 13.0-13.1s. Now, the IXs are running 12.9s on weak launches with MPH good for 12.7s. The 13.3 in that mag is no better than an 03, which dyno's 40-50whp lower...

I'm not sure how the road course testing worked in that mag, but in real life with real drivers, the results are opposite.

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Old Jan 22, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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After owning both cars I can tell you that the evo is a lot easier to drive over the sti.
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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Sorry, but no magazine properly launches the Evo, because of the 5k limiter. The STi has no limiter, so they get to launch it as hard as they want. Actual Evo drivers either learn to remove the switch or learn how to use the 5k limiter as a 2-step launch control. The mags never figure it out, because they just get 3 tries and take the avg (or at least R&T does). The STi does not come out of the hole better, sorry. That's a wive's tale based off their 2.5l and torque figures.

Remember that 03/04 Evos were running 13.3s, then the 05s were running 13.0-13.1s. Now, the IXs are running 12.9s on weak launches with MPH good for 12.7s. The 13.3 in that mag is no better than an 03, which dyno's 40-50whp lower...

I'm not sure how the road course testing worked in that mag, but in real life with real drivers, the results are opposite.

Trust me, warr is right here. The XI really is in a different league than the current or past STi's. And magaizines dont even consider modding as a factor, when in the real world most STi's are gunna find themselves up against modded evos, not stock ones.

Sorry STi guys, but even yall cant deny it anymore - The XI owns you.
Old Jan 22, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DreamLike1
Trust me, warr is right here. The XI really is in a different league than the current or past STi's. And magaizines dont even consider modding as a factor, when in the real world most STi's are gunna find themselves up against modded evos, not stock ones.

Sorry STi guys, but even yall cant deny it anymore - The XI owns you.
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Old Jan 22, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Sorry, but no magazine properly launches the Evo, because of the 5k limiter. The STi has no limiter, so they get to launch it as hard as they want. Actual Evo drivers either learn to remove the switch or learn how to use the 5k limiter as a 2-step launch control. The mags never figure it out, because they just get 3 tries and take the avg (or at least R&T does). The STi does not come out of the hole better, sorry. That's a wive's tale based off their 2.5l and torque figures.

Remember that 03/04 Evos were running 13.3s, then the 05s were running 13.0-13.1s. Now, the IXs are running 12.9s on weak launches with MPH good for 12.7s. The 13.3 in that mag is no better than an 03, which dyno's 40-50whp lower...

I'm not sure how the road course testing worked in that mag, but in real life with real drivers, the results are opposite.
The STI absolutely comes out of the hole better, I've driven the STI, WRX, and Evo enough to know the differences in the cars. Drive the STI and Evo on a more slippery surface and it becomes even more clear that the Subaru system is better at getting the torque to the wheels that need it the most.

You're also comparing mag times to claimed times from members here. I'll take mag times where it's the same driver in the same conditions in most cases. I don't like mag racers but what's even worse is comparing what some guy ran in his "stock" car on a message board in who knows what kind of conditions to what some guy halfway across the country ran in a different car at a different track. But if you wish to do that there are guys that claimed to have run 12.9s in their stock 04+ STIs.

As for the road course results, I think you're a bit confused, unless you are claiming the STI usually comes out ahead on a roadcourse in "real life" (I was unaware that magazine editors taking down laptimes at a road course was a fantasy world ). There have been tons of comparisons between these two cars, sometimes the Evo is faster around the track, sometimes the STI is. Even if the Evo is faster most of the time it's an overstatement to make a claim that it's "no contest" even with the higher horsepower of the more recent Evos. The two cars have been very close in performance for years, and they remain that way.



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