Apparently not.

And don't forget to mention, some of us like apples AND pears.

 

Why not have yet another shootout? I'll come...

 

Yes, we can, but what started this whole thing near the end was this comment:

I challenged that by saying he hasn't been to many tracks or seen many competitions between Evos and Subarus. He keeps referring to the _6_ Evos he has seen in person at the drag strip, when I saw 6 just this past weekend and have probably seen closer to 200 personally in the past year. I like the STi and always have. I also respect its performance, but this guy keeps defending it when it has been dominated 3 separate times at 3 separate events. He hasn't "seen" it simply because he hasn't attended.

It's an undeniable fact that the Evo is simply a better all-around machine right now until (and if) they figure out how to make the STi faster without spending tons of money. That's just how it is, and that's all I was saying related to the cars themselves. Additionally, it has gotten old having to listen to his Subaru sympathizing. We know, we've heard, we're not interested in it, yadda yadda. Thanks for the Evo brown-nosing blah blah, etc. We're glad you like the Evo. The End.

 

Just a polite reminder to all:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/announcement.php?f=11

I remind you that a forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. 'Open' does not connote disrespectful comments about persons nor the license to say what one pleases. Rules are established for the common good so selfishness, flaming and unaccountable opinion don't choke meaningful exchange.

Speedlimit...

 

Cool. Now can we agree to disagree?

 

I didn't realize we were at a disagreement.

 

From what I have seen in a straight line, the EVO is much, much more mod friendly than the STI.

 

Not arguing performance I am buying a STi this week, Seems more reliable, Subaru will repair it under warranty even if you race it, They honor thier warranty, They don't break all the time. car is safer and has side airbags . Standard STi = to MR in options like 6 spd. The STi bodyhas 2 years left till change (evo 1yr) a bit more comfortable to drive and damn near equal in performance. subaru has 1.9 finance or 1k off and they are dealing to near dealer cost!

 

It IS much, much more mod friendly than the STI.

The EJ25 has only been around for a few years, so the aftermarket really hasn't developed. The 4g63 has been around for nearly 20 years, so it's a much more seasoned engine. I'm interested to see what happens in the future for the EJ25. With a Stage 2 ECU tune, TBE, downpipe, and intake, an STi wil easily run mid 12s. Wanna run faster, and you're going to have to invest in a new turbo.

What sucks is because the EJ25 is such a new motor, parts are painfully expensive for it. For instance, take a look at Ford's 5.0L 302ci. Parts for a 5.0L are dirt cheap, because the motor was (and still is) extremely popular, and seasoned. Take a look at LT1 or LS1 parts, and they're very expensive, because they were only around for a few years. You could go buy a supercharger for a 5.0L and it would cost you $2,500, while a comparable supercharger for an LT1 or LS1 would run you $3,500!

I guess it'll just be the same thing with the STi.

 

Whoever told you that Subaru will cover abuse is sorely mistaken, and I surely hope you don't believe that. As for honoring your warranty, blow a $3,000 AWD system, and don't think they're just going to replace it without asking questions.

As for warranty coverage, I haven't had any issues with my STi, so I can't comment on how willing they are to cover warranty issues, but some of it probably has to do with the dealership also.

 

BUT the STI motor doesnt break (Fords do and so does Mitsu) The stock turbo is good up to 450 HP ask any tuner (who is not looking to sell you a turbo kit)
A computer flash and a exhaust will bump you up near 400hp

 

not always true

 

Looked like a disagreement to me

 

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You think the 4G63 motor is known to "break"? Are you serious?

And you're saying the stock STi turbo is good up to 450hp while just a flash and exhaust will put you near 400hp, right? You do realize that in the tuning world, we don't refer to crank HP numbers...we only refer to WHEEL HORSEPOWER. The STi (and Evo) only puts down 220-230whp. To ge 400, it would mean you're nearly doubling the power with just an exhaust and tune.

Now, let's take the STi I raced against 4 days ago. He had a full TBE (Cobb), MBC, and tune. He ran 12.66 @ 106mph. This 12.66 time was due to EXCELLENT driving, no doubt, but 106mph is indicative of around 270-280whp. Despite the mods you listed, that's a far cry from 400. You should really do your homework before making your purchase, because you will be incredibly disappointed if you have expectations like that. The Evo can't even get 450whp on the stock turbo, and we all know the STi turbo can't even ge close...

 

Umm, the 4g63 is a pretty stout motor. The stock VF39 turbo on an STi won't put you at 400hp on its best day.

Most people that own STis have enough common sense to realize that MBCs don't do the STis any favors, especially with a Cobb Stage 2 tune. If you want to do an MBC, you'll need to tune for it, and not use a "mail order tune" like the Cobb AccessPORT. The only Cobb tune that you will benefit from with an MBC is with their "Street Tuner," which allows you to do your own tuning. The reason being is because you could up the boost to say, 20psi, but the ECU may only compensate fuel for 17psi. In this case you'll experience a seriously lean condition. Hence the reason you'll need a custom tune. If all this guy was running was a 12.66 @ 106 mph (yeah, I'm sure he memorized the STi guy's timeslip), it's no wonder, because he had no idea what he was doing.

With a Cobb Stage 2, TBE including downpipe, and an intake, you'll easily hit mid 12s with no problem. Bone stock STis are turning in anywhere from 13.0s to 13.40s stock at an average of 102-104 mph. Take a good driver that's running 13.10 @ around 103 mph, and count on mid 12s at around 107-108 mph with the mods I listed.

And as far as getting the STi, I will guarantee you that you won't be disappointed with it. Expect 400 hp out of a stock turboed STi, and you're being very unreasonable.