sti vs. evo
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Originally Posted by bacalhau16
ur also right that just because they bought the car doesnt mean they are going to modify it. Maybe people who buy sti's feel that they are fast enough, since they are faster then evo's stock, and then dont feel the need to modify as much. who knows? but i still say that there is definitly a lot more faster evo's then sti's! If money is the problem, then time will tell, because the cheaper they get, the more people will be willing to modify!
Why do you think that? Just curious. Even if you are going by Warr, that is only in one area. Oh well
We all bought the cars we did because they make us happy. Does anyone honestly think I care that there may be 5 fast Evos for every 1 STi?
i go to the track in NH and have yet to see a sti break into 12's.
i also like to read all sorts of mags, open this months Sport Compact Car, or modified Mag. There are always fast evo's in all of these mags but no sti's. i have yet to see a feature on a 11 sec, sti, but have read about a dozen or so and faster evo's!
i also like to read all sorts of mags, open this months Sport Compact Car, or modified Mag. There are always fast evo's in all of these mags but no sti's. i have yet to see a feature on a 11 sec, sti, but have read about a dozen or so and faster evo's!
Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
And you're exactly right, and this is what I've been saying.
Exactly. Besides, it's a stupid thing to argue anyway. "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, there's more faster Evos than STis, so stick your head in dog doo!" Who cares? What are you going to do; pull up to somebody and say, "HEY! THERE ARE MORE FASTER EVOs THAN STIs ON THE ROAD! YOUR CAR SUCKS!"
We all bought the cars we did because they make us happy. Does anyone honestly think I care that there may be 5 fast Evos for every 1 STi?
And your point is what? I go to the track and I've never seen an Evo break mid 12s. In fact, if you really want to get **** about it, out of the 6 or so Evos I've seen, 2 of them have gone home on flatbeds. I can sit here and say, "Evolutions are pieces of crap! 33.32% of them don't even make it down the track!" I mean, after all, since that's MY personal experience, it must mean that 33.32% of Evos at any track at any time go home on flatbeds. Pretty ignorant statement, don't you think?
Exactly. Besides, it's a stupid thing to argue anyway. "Nanny-nanny boo-boo, there's more faster Evos than STis, so stick your head in dog doo!" Who cares? What are you going to do; pull up to somebody and say, "HEY! THERE ARE MORE FASTER EVOs THAN STIs ON THE ROAD! YOUR CAR SUCKS!"
We all bought the cars we did because they make us happy. Does anyone honestly think I care that there may be 5 fast Evos for every 1 STi?
And your point is what? I go to the track and I've never seen an Evo break mid 12s. In fact, if you really want to get **** about it, out of the 6 or so Evos I've seen, 2 of them have gone home on flatbeds. I can sit here and say, "Evolutions are pieces of crap! 33.32% of them don't even make it down the track!" I mean, after all, since that's MY personal experience, it must mean that 33.32% of Evos at any track at any time go home on flatbeds. Pretty ignorant statement, don't you think?
Please, just leave us alone. I have no idea why you're so infatuated with Evo General as a Subie owner. I have never once had an urge to post on NASIOC or any other Subie forum and have only read threads related to the previous shootouts.
YOu keep talking about what you have and haven't seen at Mason Dixon, but you obviously haven't been to the track that often. I also don't see any mention of what YOU are running when you go to this track. Ivan_C runs 11s there all the time, and I run my 12.0-12.2s when I go. Hell, I ran my first 12.2 there while still on a cat-back. If that doesn't show how much more capable the Evo is than the STi, then I don't know what it takes. You call a turbo upgrade a bolt-on? You gotta be kidding me. A bolt-on is an intake...or an exhaust...not an entire turbo. Seriously, let's get back to reality.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Come on, man, really. Your constant defense of the STi has gotten reallly old. You are the only one here that is constantly defending the car that we just don't like. We don't care to hear your excuses and defenses even if they are slightly well thought-out, because your bias is still shining through. There have been 3 Evo vs Wrx shootouts, and the domination was plain as day.
Secondly, I couldn't care less about some lame STi Vs. Evo shootout. I bought my STi because it fit my needs better than an Evo did. Unlike yourself, I don't buy a car because it's the "shootout champion," and all my friends might think I'm cool.
Please, just leave us alone. I have no idea why you're so infatuated with Evo General as a Subie owner. I have never once had an urge to post on NASIOC or any other Subie forum and have only read threads related to the previous shootouts.
The only person that seems to have an issue with me being here is you. I haven't had ANY problems with ANYONE in this forum until you've shown up.
Secondly, I should've known better than to reply to ANY of your posts, considering I've seen some of your behavior shine through in previous threads. What's your excuse for starting confrontations with everyone that doesn't share your views? You're a real class act.
YOu keep talking about what you have and haven't seen at Mason Dixon, but you obviously haven't been to the track that often. I also don't see any mention of what YOU are running when you go to this track. Ivan_C runs 11s there all the time, and I run my 12.0-12.2s when I go. Hell, I ran my first 12.2 there while still on a cat-back. If that doesn't show how much more capable the Evo is than the STi, then I don't know what it takes. You call a turbo upgrade a bolt-on? You gotta be kidding me. A bolt-on is an intake...or an exhaust...not an entire turbo. Seriously, let's get back to reality.
A turbo isn't a bolt-on upgrade? Then, what is it?
Lastly, it's perfectly clear from reading this last post of yours that you lack the fundamental skills to hold a mature debate without getting hostile and trying to bully people around. I've done nothing short of treat you with respect in this thread, while you've done nothing but jump down my throat because I don't sit here and kiss your ***, tooting your horn about your Evo.
I don't make habit of carrying on arguments on forums with confrontational members, as it's a waste of my time, and there are plenty of intelligent members here to converse with.
For now on, you'll be typing to yourself.
Last edited by Sinister Subaru; Oct 26, 2005 at 08:36 AM.
The STi vs. Evo discussions are nuts. Stock vs. stock not one of us could drive the hell out of it and get that one tenths difference and then base our decision on it. Both are great cars with similar heritage. Both appeal to different enthusiasts, arguing which one is better is redundant as it all comes down to preference.
How it rides, handles and feels is very subjective unless pushed to the limits. Non of which you do on a test drive or 99.9% of the time in the car to begin with.
I think STI's kick a lot of ***. I bought an Evo.
Arguing over which car has more potential is only going to open that person up to ridicule because there are many ways to mod each car and frankly non of them are going to win 'most potential in a moddable way' because you could argue both sides until your blue in the face.
How it rides, handles and feels is very subjective unless pushed to the limits. Non of which you do on a test drive or 99.9% of the time in the car to begin with.
I think STI's kick a lot of ***. I bought an Evo.
Arguing over which car has more potential is only going to open that person up to ridicule because there are many ways to mod each car and frankly non of them are going to win 'most potential in a moddable way' because you could argue both sides until your blue in the face.
Last edited by res04; Oct 26, 2005 at 08:13 AM.
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Originally Posted by res04
The STi vs. Evo discussions are nuts. Stock vs. stock not one of us could drive the hell out of it and get that one tenths difference and then base our decision on it. Both are great cars with similar heritage. Both appeal to different enthusiasts, arguing which one is better is redundant as it all comes down to preference.
How it rides, handles and feels is very subjective unless pushed to the limits. Non of which you do on a test drive or 99.9% of the time in the car to begin with.
I think STI's kick a lot of ***. I bought an Evo.
How it rides, handles and feels is very subjective unless pushed to the limits. Non of which you do on a test drive or 99.9% of the time in the car to begin with.
I think STI's kick a lot of ***. I bought an Evo.
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Originally Posted by newmr
I'm sure a lot of people here would go out and buy an STi if Evo's were not available in the US and vice versa. I know I would.
I'd just like to see Mitsubishi turn themselves around, as their reliability record has been spotty. I'd definitely feel more comfortable purchasing one of their products if their reputation improves. If Subaru and Mitsubishi both had an equal reputation for reliability, it would've just been another one of those factors to make my decision that much more difficult.
Damn, I wish I had a better job.
I'd own both of them. I can't win. If I had an Evo, I'd wish I'd feel like I was missing out on the STi. I bought an STi, and now I feel like I'm missing out on the Evo. Life sucks.
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Originally Posted by res04
I would buy an STi if the Evo MR was not for sale in the USA, no question about it.
With the MR though, I just don't know about those wheels, or that vortex generator on the roof.
I'd really love to have an MR with the standard Evo's Enkei wheels, and in that "electric blue" color, which looks very similar to the blue on the STi (until they're sitting side by side).I'd take my MR in electric blue, with gold enkei wheels (same shade gold as on STi). That would rock.
It sucks that the MR isn't offered in that "electric blue." 
Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
Funny, because most of the members of this forum that have responded to my posts DO like the STi, but it just turns out that the Evo fit their needs better. Maybe you shouldn't insult these other peoples' intelligence by speaking for them, and speak for yourself. They don't need you to speak for them, as they're plenty capable without your help.
Secondly, I couldn't care less about some lame STi Vs. Evo shootout. I bought my STi because it fit my needs better than an Evo did. Unlike yourself, I don't buy a car because it's the "shootout champion," and all my friends might think I'm cool.
I have as much right to be here as you do. If you have a problem with me being here, take it up with the moderators. They don't seem to have a problem with me being here, and neither does anyone else.
The only person that seems to have an issue with me being here is you. I haven't had ANY problems with ANYONE in this forum until you've shown up.
Secondly, I should've known better than to reply to ANY of your posts, considering I've seen your immature behavior shine through in previous threads. What's your excuse for starting confrontations with everyone that doesn't share your views? I've even seen you do as much as follow another member around from thread to thread with no other intention but to insult them and degrade him. You're a real class act.
Whoopie doo. You think 12.0s are fast? I owned a 1971 402ci Big Block El Camino that would run circles around your Evo on the 1/4 mile; 11.50 @ 118 mph on street tires. Like apples? How ya like dem apples? Don't brag off to me about your 12.0 @ 113 mph times. They're not all that impressive.
A turbo isn't a bolt-on upgrade? Then, what is it?
Lastly, it's perfectly clear from reading this last post of yours that you lack the fundamental skills to hold a mature debate without getting hostile and trying to bully people around. I've done nothing short of treat you with respect in this thread, while you've done nothing but jump down my throat because I don't sit here and kiss your ***, tooting your horn about your Evo.
I don't make habit of carrying on arguments with trolls, as there are plenty of other intelligent members here to converse with. For now on, type to yourself.
Secondly, I couldn't care less about some lame STi Vs. Evo shootout. I bought my STi because it fit my needs better than an Evo did. Unlike yourself, I don't buy a car because it's the "shootout champion," and all my friends might think I'm cool.
I have as much right to be here as you do. If you have a problem with me being here, take it up with the moderators. They don't seem to have a problem with me being here, and neither does anyone else.
The only person that seems to have an issue with me being here is you. I haven't had ANY problems with ANYONE in this forum until you've shown up.
Secondly, I should've known better than to reply to ANY of your posts, considering I've seen your immature behavior shine through in previous threads. What's your excuse for starting confrontations with everyone that doesn't share your views? I've even seen you do as much as follow another member around from thread to thread with no other intention but to insult them and degrade him. You're a real class act.
Whoopie doo. You think 12.0s are fast? I owned a 1971 402ci Big Block El Camino that would run circles around your Evo on the 1/4 mile; 11.50 @ 118 mph on street tires. Like apples? How ya like dem apples? Don't brag off to me about your 12.0 @ 113 mph times. They're not all that impressive.
A turbo isn't a bolt-on upgrade? Then, what is it?
Lastly, it's perfectly clear from reading this last post of yours that you lack the fundamental skills to hold a mature debate without getting hostile and trying to bully people around. I've done nothing short of treat you with respect in this thread, while you've done nothing but jump down my throat because I don't sit here and kiss your ***, tooting your horn about your Evo.
I don't make habit of carrying on arguments with trolls, as there are plenty of other intelligent members here to converse with. For now on, type to yourself.
If you don't think 12.0 @ 113 with just an exhaust, boost, and tune isn't fast, then again, I can't help you. Show me any STi that has achieved this, please. I find it quite humorous that you brag about a 402ci big block V8 being able to run circles around a 4-door Evo with minor bolt-ons. That's cute...I actually do like them apples, because drag racing is my car's weakest skill. It does much better when autocrossing and road racing...can't say the same for your El Camino, now can we? Nice cliche, though...
No one said you can't be here, so I don't know why you went off on that tangent. It's just annoying. You don't provide anything other than sympathy for Subies. What do you personally gain by bothering us all the time with your defense of Subies that is unwarranted and based on bias? I gain nothing from it other than my eyes get a good workout as they roll around in their sockets.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Come on, man, really. Your constant defense of the STi has gotten reallly old. You are the only one here that is constantly defending the car that we just don't like.
I am sure most of this community likes or at least has respect for the STi. When two cars are so similar, its hard to like one and not the other.
I have a great respect for most of these AWD Turbo platforms, but i just hate the cocky *** drivers, they drive me nuts, i almost wish i would of never of gotten so into cars b/c of the crap i've seen and gone through. I'm not getting between Warrtalon and Sinister. My input is simple, everybody should stop watching and believing these movies, everyone has to stop comparing built up strait line drag cars to Evos and other high performance street cars, buy the car for yourself and not to impress your friends, and most of all, stop the damn street racing talk.
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Originally Posted by muzak
I actually like the subbie, a lot. I am sure most of this community likes or at least has respect for the STi. When two cars are so similar, its hard to like one and not the other.
I am sure most of this community likes or at least has respect for the STi. When two cars are so similar, its hard to like one and not the other.
Originally Posted by Nez136
I have a great respect for most of these AWD Turbo platforms, but i just hate the cocky *** drivers, they drive me nuts, i almost wish i would of never of gotten so into cars b/c of the crap i've seen and gone through. I'm not getting between Warrtalon and Sinister. My input is simple, everybody should stop watching and believing these movies, everyone has to stop comparing built up strait line drag cars to Evos and other high performance street cars, buy the car for yourself and not to impress your friends, and most of all, stop the damn street racing talk.
Last edited by Sinister Subaru; Oct 26, 2005 at 03:10 PM.
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wow...this thread got way out of hand...cant we agree that both are great? i know alot about both cars, and while i prefer the evo over the sti, i also have great respect for the sti...they both are wonderful machines
and please people...arguing about the 2 has become very childish and ive noticed alot of misplaced arrogance and ignorance...theyre both wonderful machines, some people like apples, some like pears, thats all
and please people...arguing about the 2 has become very childish and ive noticed alot of misplaced arrogance and ignorance...theyre both wonderful machines, some people like apples, some like pears, thats all
