My Explorer is WAY faster than both, especially because it has forced induction, that is its twin turbos and its "electronic supercharger" to help the turbos spool quicker haha

 

Then you've never been to Capitol Raceway, Mason Dixon Dragway, Maryland International Raceway, 75/80 Dragway recently (all local), nor have you been to any of the 3 Evo vs Wrx shootouts.

In my 10 trips to all the local dragstrips, I have yet to encounter an STi that was faster than I am, and that's not very fast at all. At the Evo vs Wrx shootout, I was faster than half of the 8 Subie Quick 8, yet I wasn't even in the top 12 Evos...

I would like to mention one STi this past weekend at MIR who ran a 12.66@106, which I thought was excellent driving. He stayed surprisingly close to me through the 1/8th (.3s slower), and then I pulled away hard in 4th en route to a 12.09@113. It was probably the best driving I'd seen from an STi owner locally. Obviously, his car wasn't that fast, but he was making the most out of it. He had the same mods that I have as far as I could see (TBE, MBC) with no blingy piping and still on the stock intake. Not sure if he had any tuning, but he had Cobb tuning references on the car.

 

that's cuz when you talk about the track, you're not talking about stock anymore.

 

I've been to Mason Dixon, and out of about 6 Evos I've seen run there, two have left on flatbeds. The fastest Evo out of the few I've seen ran 12.60s.

If you haven't run into any STis that are faster than a 12.09 @ 113 mph, you need to get out more often, but in your defense, most STi guys don't dive real deep into modding. Most of the guys I've been in contact normally go with a TBE including the downpipe, MAYBE an intake, an ECU tune (Cobb Stage 2, ECUTEK, UTEC), and some suspension parts. Obviously, these are the guys that are interested in a quick daily driver, that is capable of running in the mid 12s. Very rarely have I seen an STi with a ton of work done to it, except for on one occasion, besides the 8 and 9 second ESX cars.

Have you ever been to Westminster Speed & Sound in Westminster? Not long ago, they had an STi in there making over 500 whp. I'm pretty sure that car would run much faster than 12s. The scary part about it was that it looked bone stock.

I won't mention ESX's latest test in Car & Driver. What a turd. 13.50s out of a car with "450 hp?" They claim they had a bad turbo. I'll raise the "BS flag" on that one. They simply showed up with an unsorted $91,000 pile of crap. In the process, they embarassed every STi fan and enthusiast on the planet.

 

What do you mean? I ran when stock for the purpose of seeing what my baseline was.

 

That's definitely an ignorant statement...as if there are tons of STIs running in the 11s as compared to Evos. Out of HUNDREDS of Subies at the Evo vs WRX shootout, there were only 3-4 running better than 12.0. I don't know how much more I can "get out" than going to an Evo vs WRX shootout. Nor can I go to the drag strip more often than I do...and that's 3 separate tracks. It's just not easy for STIs to run 12.0 or better, because they need an upgraded turbo. I'm not particularly interested in dyno claims, and I doubt anyone is impressed by my 294whp...I only care what the timeslip says.

 

I've never seen a stock STi do what an '05 RS can do in either the 1/4 mile or on a road course.

 

ALWAYS take your car to the track when it's stock. You need to know what kinds of gains you're getting for your cash.

A lot of people are big fans of "dyno racing," and tell you to hit the dyno. A dyno is not an accurate portrayal of what a car will run in the 1/4 mile. A dyno is simply a tuning tool. Each dyno reads differently. I've seen stock STis dyno 220 whp on a Dynapak, and then watch the same stock STi run on a Dynojet and put down 240 whp. Hell, run on 2 seperate Dynapaks, and they're going to read slightly different.

The best way, bar none, is to take your car to the track, and see how much of an increase your mods are making.

 

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

Just be careful Mitsu dealership doesn't catch your VIN

 

Good point! Also, remember to remove your tags, because insurance agents WILL hang out at the track and take down plate #s.

 

There's nothing ignorant about it. You're talking like every Evo on the street is running 11s. Since there are so many "11 second Evos" out there, how come I'm yet to run into any of them on the street, or otherwise? You also claim that you're seeing these "11 second Evos" at Mason/Dixon, which I make my way to 5 or 6 times per season. How come I haven't seen any of these "11 second Evos," and I'm visiting one of these same tracks that you mention?

Before you continue getting all revved up, I'm going to quote my previous post. Please quote me where I mentioned that there are "just as many 11 second STis as Evos." Do you think that everyone that owns an STi races, just because there's some "Subaru Vs. Mitsubishi" event? Most people that purchase these cars NEVER take them to the drag strip, or even know about the events. I've never attended one of these "Subaru Vs. Mitsubishi" events because I never hear about'em until AFTER the fact. Not only that, but these "company vs. company" events are breeding grounds for idiots that want nothing more than to start fights.

As for being a problem running faster than 12s in an STi, a turbo upgrade is a bolt-on upgrade. It's expensive, but it's not a problem. Sooner or later, you're going to need to do a turbo upgrade on an Evo too, so I don't see your point. It isn't hard to run 11s in an STi. It's simply just expensive. Simply put, people just don't care enough to shell out the cash. If I owned an Evo, it wouldn't be any different. I still wouldn't care enough to shell out the cash, and many other owners feel the same way.

 

perhaps we are a little blinded because obviously we are only searching evo forums, buy id have to agree that all in all, when i go to the track, evo's definitly run faster times then sti's. Warrtalon goes out and races a lot, and is a credible source, so if he says he was at a specific track im sure he was.
ur also right that just because they bought the car doesnt mean they are going to modify it. Maybe people who buy sti's feel that they are fast enough, since they are faster then evo's stock, and then dont feel the need to modify as much. who knows? but i still say that there is definitly a lot more faster evo's then sti's! If money is the problem, then time will tell, because the cheaper they get, the more people will be willing to modify!

 

Why do you think that? Just curious. Even if you are going by Warr, that is only in one area. Oh well

 

i go to the track in NH and have yet to see a sti break into 12's.
i also like to read all sorts of mags, open this months Sport Compact Car, or modified Mag. There are always fast evo's in all of these mags but no sti's. i have yet to see a feature on a 11 sec, sti, but have read about a dozen or so and faster evo's!