SCC's EVO dyno'd
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yeah i am starting to think that on the production cars that they were tuned for the majority of the states...since most have 93 they tuned them as such
which sucks for the 91 octane people
which sucks for the 91 octane people
Originally posted by shiv@vishnu
I have no doubt that these cars will do just fine at the drag strip. But I also have no doubt that those conditions will be very different from a controlled dyno environment. If it runs 12s, that is great.
The question at hand here isn't how quick it will or should be in the 1/4 mile. It is WHY the press cars are making substantially more power than the production cars we've dynod under nearly identical conditions (temp, humidity, octane, etc,.)
Shiv
I have no doubt that these cars will do just fine at the drag strip. But I also have no doubt that those conditions will be very different from a controlled dyno environment. If it runs 12s, that is great.
The question at hand here isn't how quick it will or should be in the 1/4 mile. It is WHY the press cars are making substantially more power than the production cars we've dynod under nearly identical conditions (temp, humidity, octane, etc,.)
Shiv
#2 - I already posted
has to re-tune the ecu's to get EPA - DOT approval to import the cars - - didn't you notice there was a delay in the shipemnt of these cars so who cares - - all we have to do is add a super afc and we can make up that 20 extra HP in a quick manner
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Originally posted by Coolguy949
Claudius, you were at talking about the euro evo 7 getting higher numbers and pinging at 91 octane. Could this be because they use much higher octanes in europe and mitsu just upped the power more to utilize that gas rating?
Claudius, you were at talking about the euro evo 7 getting higher numbers and pinging at 91 octane. Could this be because they use much higher octanes in europe and mitsu just upped the power more to utilize that gas rating?
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Aren't we all forgetting one little tidbit?
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
Originally posted by GPTourer
Aren't we all forgetting one little tidbit?
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
Aren't we all forgetting one little tidbit?
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
Again, this car doesn't suck, but Mitsubishi is using some dirty tricks and they need to learn to stop them.
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"Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO"
so that is your idea of "tuning" a car? now all of your posts make perfect sense....
josh
so that is your idea of "tuning" a car? now all of your posts make perfect sense....
josh
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Originally posted by GPTourer
Aren't we all forgetting one little tidbit?
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
Aren't we all forgetting one little tidbit?
Mr. Shiv seems to think of himself as the discoverer of some great conspiracy which he thinks might possibly lead to some sort of litigation against Mitsubishi. However, Mitsu only claimes 271, say it with me, CRANK hp. They don't have **** to prove to anyone one person in any one place, one shop, one dyno about how much their motors put out. IF you want to "prove" something is wrong, get yourself about ten to twenty broken in Evos, pull their engines and run them on bench dynos and then call John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted" if they all come up short of 271 on 93 octane gas. Otherwise, get yourself some 264cams from HKS, a Super AFC and a MBC and start breaking fools off left and right with your new EVO.
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Originally posted by Seņor Info
If you re-read the posts in this thread from shiv@vishnu you'll find that he's never suggested that the US Evo makes less than its advertised crank horsepower
If you re-read the posts in this thread from shiv@vishnu you'll find that he's never suggested that the US Evo makes less than its advertised crank horsepower
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Originally posted by Claudius
But he has suggested that Evos bought from dealerships make 180 bhp to the wheels. Which, unless the Evo has 34 - 35% transmission losses, means it makes less than 271 at the crank.
But he has suggested that Evos bought from dealerships make 180 bhp to the wheels. Which, unless the Evo has 34 - 35% transmission losses, means it makes less than 271 at the crank.
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I think that Shiv is doing all EVO owners a service. He is providing valuable information regarding statics and how they differ from the proposed numbers that Mitsubishi put out. Also, he continues to provide information regarding tuning points and experiences that other vendors and tuners will not tell you for free.
If I bought an EVO and found out that it wasn't making the proposed power as stated by , I'd be pissed and want an explanation from them.
For those that can't appreciate Shiv's professionalism, expertise and unbiased opinion what comparisons have you done? How much time and money have you invested in tuning and equipment? If you have done better research on the EVO than Shiv, we would all like to hear it.
Nuff said?...
If I bought an EVO and found out that it wasn't making the proposed power as stated by
, I'd be pissed and want an explanation from them.For those that can't appreciate Shiv's professionalism, expertise and unbiased opinion what comparisons have you done? How much time and money have you invested in tuning and equipment? If you have done better research on the EVO than Shiv, we would all like to hear it.
Nuff said?...
Originally posted by KK
Man you really have something against him don't you? He's only saying that the production Evos are consistently dynoing 20whp less the what the press Evo was putting down. That to me says something.
Again, this car doesn't suck, but Mitsubishi is using some dirty tricks and they need to learn to stop them.
Mark
Man you really have something against him don't you? He's only saying that the production Evos are consistently dynoing 20whp less the what the press Evo was putting down. That to me says something.
Again, this car doesn't suck, but Mitsubishi is using some dirty tricks and they need to learn to stop them.
Mark
Originally posted by Claudius
But he has suggested that Evos bought from dealerships make 180 bhp to the wheels. Which, unless the Evo has 34 - 35% transmission losses, means it makes less than 271 at the crank.
But he has suggested that Evos bought from dealerships make 180 bhp to the wheels. Which, unless the Evo has 34 - 35% transmission losses, means it makes less than 271 at the crank.
Shiv might be a great tuner i dunno, his dyno might be correct dont know that either. but with every other dino out there (even the same kind of dino) puting up more believable numbers its hard to imagine that his is the one that is correct. Yes it would be disapointing if shiv's numbers are correct. But at the moment all i see is a guy that is really good at making people believe that the way he is doing it is the right way.
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