Evo IX envy..........some thoughts from an Evo VIII owner.
38 OTD? I got mine with ssl for 5g's less than that. You gotta understand that when they say the price is firm, that means bug me for 5 hr's until I come down on the price, then bug me for another hour and i'll come down some more 
Originally Posted by snoop
My 03 VIII is worth 20K and paid off. A new 06 OTD is 38 
I think I will keep my car until X comes out. 
I think I will keep my car until X comes out. 
Originally Posted by an0ther
not knockin you man, but that sounds like the worse case of envy. Saying they wont have a computer is a pointless statement. 3 companies have already been tuning mivec and have had great results. The valve timing will give you more control on the highend with a big turbo. Do you really think that AEM does not have an evo 9 in their bay working on an ecu for it considering the VIII was their #1 selling ems? I know that when I had my turbo civic with ls block and big turbo, we added a vtec head and gained over 60 whp. Not being able to get parts is another, you could get pistons made right now if you wanted.
Originally Posted by another
Saying they wont have a computer is a pointless statement. 3 companies have already been tuning mivec and have had great results. The valve timing will give you more control on the highend with a big turbo.
Originally Posted by zze86
It was just a matter of if and when (obviously they already have). +1 for the IX
Originally Posted by another
Do you really think that AEM does not have an evo 9 in their bay working on an ecu for it considering the VIII was their #1 selling ems?
Originally Posted by zze86
control the MIVEC (only two I can think of that could possibly do this, is the Power FC or an expensive MOTEC unit).
Originally Posted by another
I know that when I had my turbo civic with ls block and big turbo, we added a vtec head and gained over 60 whp.
Originally Posted by another
Not being able to get parts is another, you could get pistons made right now if you wanted.
Originally Posted by zze86
the BIG deciding factor for me at least as I plan on keeping the car til it rots apart.
Originally Posted by zze86
Here was my thought process in deciding between waiting a month for the IX or getting the VIII:
1.) Out of the box I was SURE the IX was going to make more power. With the variable valve timing I was SURE if the aftermarket companies could crack the MIVEC it would make HUGE #'s out of the box and more importantly HUGE gains in the low end. It was just a matter of if and when (obviously they already have). +1 for the IX
2.) Once you got into BIG #'s though I predict the IX is NOT going to make as much power as the VIII. The MIVEC head is going to get in the way, either mechanically or no ECU's out there to control the MIVEC (only two I can think of that could possibly do this, is the Power FC or an expensive MOTEC unit). This'll lead to a head swap to a non-MIVEC unit. +1 for the VIII...we'll wait to see if I'm wrong on this one.
3.) just another thing to break and servicing. Although VVT doesn't normally have a history of failing components or anything it's just one more thing (MIVEC) to break and worry about. Finding knowledgable techs to work on and trouble shoot it will be a pain. I mean just read some of the horror stories on how tech put the crankshat on 180deg off...+1 for the VIII, which leads to...
4.) Parts. The BIG deciding factor for me at least as I plan on keeping the car til it rots apart. the non-MIVEC 4g63 has been around for 10+ years. Although there are slight differences thoughout it's evolution (hey! I made a pun!) a lot of the parts are interchaneable. The MIVEC 4g63 has new pistons, new rings, new headgasket etc. service parts for a one year (roughly) model will become hard to find. +1 for the VIII.
No doubt the IX is a wonderful machine but, for me at least, the VIII makes more sense.
1.) Out of the box I was SURE the IX was going to make more power. With the variable valve timing I was SURE if the aftermarket companies could crack the MIVEC it would make HUGE #'s out of the box and more importantly HUGE gains in the low end. It was just a matter of if and when (obviously they already have). +1 for the IX
2.) Once you got into BIG #'s though I predict the IX is NOT going to make as much power as the VIII. The MIVEC head is going to get in the way, either mechanically or no ECU's out there to control the MIVEC (only two I can think of that could possibly do this, is the Power FC or an expensive MOTEC unit). This'll lead to a head swap to a non-MIVEC unit. +1 for the VIII...we'll wait to see if I'm wrong on this one.
3.) just another thing to break and servicing. Although VVT doesn't normally have a history of failing components or anything it's just one more thing (MIVEC) to break and worry about. Finding knowledgable techs to work on and trouble shoot it will be a pain. I mean just read some of the horror stories on how tech put the crankshat on 180deg off...+1 for the VIII, which leads to...
4.) Parts. The BIG deciding factor for me at least as I plan on keeping the car til it rots apart. the non-MIVEC 4g63 has been around for 10+ years. Although there are slight differences thoughout it's evolution (hey! I made a pun!) a lot of the parts are interchaneable. The MIVEC 4g63 has new pistons, new rings, new headgasket etc. service parts for a one year (roughly) model will become hard to find. +1 for the VIII.
No doubt the IX is a wonderful machine but, for me at least, the VIII makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by caligula
from my experience never buy a car the first year it comes out,you dont know what problems could have,remodified engine and drive train would see how it goes. just my two cents
but IMO, i like the ix. I also had a 03, and think that it's a awesome car too.
Personally I don't think it's very much different unless you keep the car stock, but for you guys without envy, ask yourself if you had a chance to decide between a VIII and a IX at this moment, which would you choose?If the MR and the regular model were the same price, everyone on this board would have a MR.
btw: who needs a intake cam when you have mivec?? lol
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at rick case duluth where i bought my 8 and 9, the 9's, RS=29k GSR=33.5k GSRSSL=36.5k MR=36.9k I could have got the MR, but I traded in my 04 which I modded for the GSRSSL, I know alot of you think this is dumb, but I wanted leather and a sunroof as I didnt have them in my 04. I know the mr is lighter and has 6spd which is nice but I really wanted a sunroof and leather this time. I am pretty much going to leave this car stock except and ecutek flash for now. I have appt tomorrow at topspeed to see my baseline.
Originally Posted by kipper215
this guy is right on point. no one will make cams for the model evo. for one it is a limited run R&D does not come cheap. have fun trying to add ems. and turbo kit. i would love to see someone add a GT35r to a 9 with the stock ecu. 40k for an mr. be my guest. mitsu just squeezed water out of a rock for ever person that bought a nine. now the X will be the ride to have and they will have tons a mods for the motor. I like the bumpers of the 9. i think i will buy those and keep my 8
You have no idea what your talking about. #1
Cams are currently being TESTED and I am sure will be released around spring/summer of 06.
#2
Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you pay 40k otd for a MR I paid 33OTD for a non-ssl IX.
#3
"Mistu just squeezed water out of a rock for ever person that bought a nine"
Cool story, but a evo9 with tbe exhaust and reflash on pump gas is making the same power an evo8 with tbe exhaust, and cams. It also looks like evo9 will also be making some solid, big power on race gas and I wouldn't be suprised to see some pretty unreal numbers from the 9 come summer time from the strip.
#4
The evo9 only has a revised front bumper the US market did not get the jdm evo9 rear and the evo9 has the identical evo8 rear bumper.
#5
Not every evo owner street races at night and tunes their ems between runs, and I'm sure that in TIME an EMS patch harness will be created and developed.
#6
Mivec has proved to be new to the US market to tuners but tuners are learning how to tweak it and its proving to be a useful tool. Once tuned the evo9 should spool at least 500 rpms sooner than the evo8 turbo.
#7
The seats are ****.
Last edited by Doogie Howser; Dec 5, 2005 at 03:30 PM.
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Originally Posted by kipper215
this guy is right on point. no one will make cams for the model evo. for one it is a limited run R&D does not come cheap. have fun trying to add ems. and turbo kit. i would love to see someone add a GT35r to a 9 with the stock ecu. 40k for an mr. be my guest. mitsu just squeezed water out of a rock for ever person that bought a nine. now the X will be the ride to have and they will have tons a mods for the motor. I like the bumpers of the 9. i think i will buy those and keep my 8
Originally Posted by Doogie Howser
You have no idea what your talking about. #1
Cams are currently being TESTED and I am sure will be released around spring/summer of 06.
#2
Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you pay 40k otd for a MR I paid 33OTD for a non-ssl IX.
#3
"Mistu just squeezed water out of a rock for ever person that bought a nine"
Cool story, but a evo9 with tbe exhaust and reflash on pump gas is making the same power an evo8 with tbe exhaust, and cams. It also looks like evo9 will also be making some solid, big power on race gas and I wouldn't be suprised to see some pretty unreal numbers from the 9 come summer time from the strip.
#4
The evo9 only has a revised front bumper the US market did not get the jdm evo9 rear and the evo9 has the identical evo8 rear bumper.
#5
Not every evo owner street races at night and tunes their ems between runs, and I'm sure that in TIME an EMS patch harness will be created and developed.
#6
Mivec has proved to be new to the US market to tuners but tuners are learning how to tweak it and its proving to be a useful tool. Once tuned the evo9 should spool at least 500 rpms sooner than the evo8 turbo.
#7
The seats are ****.
Werd...
Also my old boss is an AEM Beta tester and a huge EMS tuner and AEM already has a test evo IX. HKS already has cams in the works for the IX. My IX with TBE freakin rips harder than any evoVIII i've driven or ridden in with TBE, intake, AFC and boost controller.
One more thing. I paid 31600 for my IX with $595 destination fee, car cover, floor mats, and vortex generator.
Last edited by DRAGIN; Dec 5, 2005 at 03:51 PM.
don't get me wrong, I think the IX is a great (and IMO better looking) machine. The MIVEC and roughly one year production is worrisome for someone like me who intends to keep it for the life of the vehicle.
I agree with doogie there about the cams and EMS will be coming for the MIVEC motor after some R&D....I'm sure the price will reflect that as well though. one of the main concerns I would have is spinning the motor to 8-9k rpms. granted at those speeds the engine will have a shorter life but will the MIVEC withstand those kind of RPM's (think road course) for long? think about it, it's an actuator spinning back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...so for those with larger turbo's who need to rev up into the upper RPM's to extract their power it may become a liability.
I'm not saying this is going to happen for sure, It's purely speculation on my part, as I said VVT systems don't have usually have a high rate of component failure but for someone who's thinking longevity and reliability while maintaining the performance the 4g63 is famous for, the VIII was the obvious choice for me.
I agree with doogie there about the cams and EMS will be coming for the MIVEC motor after some R&D....I'm sure the price will reflect that as well though. one of the main concerns I would have is spinning the motor to 8-9k rpms. granted at those speeds the engine will have a shorter life but will the MIVEC withstand those kind of RPM's (think road course) for long? think about it, it's an actuator spinning back and forth, back and forth, back and forth...so for those with larger turbo's who need to rev up into the upper RPM's to extract their power it may become a liability.
I'm not saying this is going to happen for sure, It's purely speculation on my part, as I said VVT systems don't have usually have a high rate of component failure but for someone who's thinking longevity and reliability while maintaining the performance the 4g63 is famous for, the VIII was the obvious choice for me.