You really believe that? Well, whatever then. He has read what everyone else said, and he told me himself that he thought $2800 was good for what he got...and that what he got would be powerful. He had no idea he could get much more power for much less money spent. The stuff he got is just a bunch of namebrands. You think that super-expensive intake is going to make more power than a Buschur air filter kit? Helllllll no. If anything, a FEW hp. Is that worth several hundred dollars? Not at all. This guy is actually interested in GOING fast with his money; not just in impressing JDM ******.

What's good about 300whp? I hit that with about $625 spent and it wasn't on low-quality parts either. He still is missing critically-important parts after already spending $2800 on the wrong combination. He has to spend more to complete the basic parts setup, but he could have already had cams, alky, header, and a clutch for the money spent at this point. He's not asking for my help just because he'll believe anything I say. That's poor to even suggest...

 

Al has tested that the HKS unit is the best intake in terms of making power. I got mine for $200 shipped. It also retains the stock like properties of the air box with that Kasani bit and looks more OEM and will sheild vibrations from the MAF better then you buschur intake that may stall if a big V8 revs on ya. Again, quality parts and some people prefer caviar and some people prefer McDonalds. Some people Prefer a Vette while others prefer Ferrari's.

Does that timing belt offer any protection over the stock unit?


Again, Not Every one is you, no need to take over someones life just becuase they haven't made your decisions. He is from the other side of the globe too, parts aren't as easilly accessable and you never know, the APEXi unit may be the way to go, hell go to Calli and the APEXi AFC is the way to go and people run 11's on that, that's less then you spent .

 

Come on, now, you're not making any sense. You're talking about Caviar and McDonald's, but Caviar is a delicacy. That's a horrible analogy. The real analogy is paying tons more for a McDonald's Happy Meal at the Ritz Carlton instead of regular price for the same Happy Meal at McDonald's. It's the same food just made by someone else and providing no additional nutritional value while costing a ton more.

Don't try to talk to me about an SAFC. No, it's not less than I spent. I have an SAFC, dude. Did you not notice my sig? Did you not know I ran 12.22 with just an safc, mbc, and cat-back...then a 12.01 on safc/mbc/tbe? Believe me, no one ran 11s for less than I've spent, which is still less than $1000.

Again, you are using analogies that don't fit as well as generalization. I'm talking about THIS one person who DID NOT want to spend a ton without going fast. Yes, he's in Ireland...I know this...he and I have already discussed it in public and in private. He was given bad advice by local shops about parts to get, and now I've given him better advice with proof to back it up. While you and Arithmetic are continuing to defend the right to buy a McDonald's Happy Meal at the Ritz Carlton, I'm making sure people know they can get Happy Meals at McDonald's for much less. Pretty simple...

 

Give me a break. You can't be serious. That has nothing to do with V8 rumbles causing Evos to stall. I have the free stock airbox and am way faster than you or Funnyclub. It's an unnecessary expense.

 

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Come on, now, you're not making any sense. You're talking about Caviar and McDonald's, but Caviar is a delicacy. That's a horrible analogy. The real analogy is paying tons more for a McDonald's Happy Meal at the Ritz Carlton instead of regular price for the same Happy Meal at McDonald's. It's the same food just made by someone else and providing no additional nutritional value while costing a ton more.

So you are saying that the most expensive parts are the same as the cheaper parts. You said this by stating that a Happy meal is more at a designer store Vs. the actual store, same parts, sorry you analogy is wrong. I am sorry I disagree and my analogy holds firm. Your analogy states that you are paying more for the SAME parts; these are not the same parts, so your analogy doesn’t make sense. Not the same parts offered. How much did you pay for your MR? I bet a lot more then I payed for my 03 I got in June of 03, $29,500 out the door and I have about $3000 in it but $1000 on wheels and tires for the winter.




People have run 11’s for far less then you spent, I believe the record involves an exhaust removal and a Super AFC and race gas and a MBC. Is that a fair comparison, sure is. You should see what some people can do with a 1G DSM in terms of $$$$ and Time slips if you want to talk cheap. You have an MR, they offer better cam profiles then the 03-04 and of course VII guys so you have a power bump and also a larger hot side too, so it is also not apples to apples here it just isn’t.

I think you just scared the crap out of this guy, not everyone who builds their car has to do it your way or the highway, live and let live man. Again it isn’t a McDonalds Happy meal at the Ritz Carlton, it’s caviar, HKS doesn’t sell McDonalds, they offer quality parts and technology.

 

Way faster then why? Funnyclub? You are not making sense, I think you just tripped over your ego . MAF's take interferance and they may even stall, that airbox sheilds it from outside sounds, IDK what else to say about that.


Seriously, calm done, live and let live, not everyone makes the same decisons as you, and that's ok.


Oh BTW, some people have purchased use Evos's for $20-$25 and gone 11's for under $30,000 Doubt you did that

 

What in the world are you talking about? I had 3 DSMs that went 12.5 or better. Where do you think I came from? You for some reason have no idea what I've done or where I've come from. I even ran 12.5s on a FWD 91 GS-T on the stock 14b and stock exhaust that I unbolted at the DP.

How can you say people have run 11s for far less than I've spent? That makes no sense. I did the same thing that you just mentioned - mbc, safc, race gas, and open exhaust. I hit 12.01 except that I paid for my TBE to have it be useful full time. I could just as easily have unbolted the stock exhaust like I did on my 12.5s 1G. That's not a case of "running 11s for far less." Plus, I haven't seen someone with that setup run 11s anyway, and if it did happen, it was an extremely rare case. You can't use 1 or 2 examples of extreme cases to support your argument, when I'm talking about hundreds upon hundreds of Evos on the OTHER side of my argument. That makes no sense.

How is your analogy of caviar vs McDonald's any more suitable than my analogy? Caviar is nowhere close to being in the same category as any McDonald's food. We are talking about a Tomei Downpipe vs a Megan Downpipe (or any downpipe)...a Tomei o2 housing vs an Ebay or stock o2 housing. These are the SAME PARTS made by different people. Caviar is not Mcdonald's food made by someone else...it's a rare delicacy that is very expensive due to its rarity and flavor. Your analogy is not close at all.

 

Huh? How am I not making sense. when did I trip over my ego? His setup will not be anywhere near as fast as mine. MAFs take interference and they may even stall??????? What in the WORLD are you talking about? shields from outside sounds!!!! HAhaha, oh my Lord, this is getting rich. Again, I USE the stock airbox. I did not spend HUNDREDS of dollars to replace it with ANOTHER airbox. Our cars do not stall because of noise that isn't shielded by the stock airbox due to an aftermarket intake. That's crazy talk.

Uh, again, horrible analogy. I could have easily bought a used Evo and run 11s for a less combined total, but I didn't buy my Evo just to run the 1/4-mile. It's an entire package, it's a limited edition, it has more features, no worries, wasn't used or abused, has a full 5yr/60k miles warranty, was brand new, came with a 3yr/45k free maintenance, has nicer/lighter rims, has a 6spd, etc etc etc. Again, you're comparing things of no likeness.

 

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What in the world are you talking about? I had 3 DSMs that went 12.5 or better. Where do you think I came from? You for some reason have no idea what I've done or where I've come from. I even ran 12.5s on a FWD 91 GS-T on the stock 14b and stock exhaust that I unbolted at the DP.

Obviously the same place I came from. I don’t follow your life sir, but you seem hell bent on stating that you have been the fastest for cheapest, you also have an MR, how much was it out the door? Most of my experience comes from DSM’s as well.



They have, 03-04, super AFC, NO exhaust, tuning, C116, what is not to believe? You have an MR, you didn’t pay the same for it as people who have USED Evo’s or 03-04 Evo’s. Calm done man, you always feel like your being attacked.



Simply put, you stated that you are getting THE SAME PARTS for two different prices from two diffent stores, wrong, so an HKS intake is the same as a buschur? No see that’s why it is flawed. These are Different parts man.





See again that is flawed, a Megan downpipe is not the same as HKS downpipe or Tomie, by your reasoning, a Geo Econo box is the SAME as a Ferrari Enzo in that they are both cars. This is not a vanilla world where all parts are the same, all are different and done different. Some Megan Exhaust do not fit 05's, my buschur Exhaust did not fit at 1st until I replaced the Downpipe so it would clear after Dave revised it. AMS has an awesome exhaust that fit perfect since day one and has a three bolt flange instead of two, yup ALL THE SAME.... This is a truly flawed way of thinking. They are not the same, not at all. So a Ferrai Exhaust is the same as a Geo exhaust? They are both exhaust right?

 

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Huh? How am I not making sense. when did I trip over my ego? His setup will not be anywhere near as fast as mine. MAFs take interference and they may even stall??????? What in the WORLD are you talking about? shields from outside sounds!!!! HAhaha, oh my Lord, this is getting rich. Again, I USE the stock airbox. I did not spend HUNDREDS of dollars to replace it with ANOTHER airbox. Our cars do not stall because of noise that isn't shielded by the stock airbox due to an aftermarket intake. That's crazy talk.

If you do not know that MAF's can and DO accept interference especially at idle then I fear that you may be mistaken. I know that you are about to delve into your clichι’ rant quips and talk about yourself but I really don’t care.


Go outside, start your car, open the hood, slam it shut, yeah; you hear that stutter, that skip in the rhythmic beat of your idle? Yeah that is the maf being interfered with. You above all should know that any staccato resonance interferes with the MAF’s readings and could cause idle issues and even stalling. Ask any vender or tuner, even Buschur, and he will agree. V8's do tjis as well. The stock Evo Intake overs sheliding to these resonances but not perfectly. CERTAINLY WAY MORE over say an open element filter. The MAF is very sensative sir.


Could have, should have, didn’t Don’t want to hear what you could have done. HOW MUCH WAS YOU 05 EVO MR? Was it as much as that guys 7, I DOUBT IT. Didn’t buy to run the Ό mile? You brag your times every chance you get and just stated that NO ONE is as fast for you as cheap. Look at your SIG, that's all you have is how fast it is.

So then I asked, HOW MUCH WAS YOUR MR? Avoiding that one? I bet you’re not fastest for cheapest.

 

Again, senseless ramblings. Why are you talking about how much my MR cost? What does that have to do with ANYTHING in this discussion? It's completely irrelevant and has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. I already told you that I bought the MR for a ton of reasons (listed above). Who knows how much his VII cost? That isn't the point. The MR has features that cannot be had on the regular VIII, and I can't buy a VII...irrrelevance at its best.

What else do you want me to put in my sig that can be related to others? Should I put all my FTD finishes in autocross competitions last year, list all the cars I blew away on the road course, show the points standings in my autocross club for the year? That's ridiculous. I post the drag numbers, because they can be compared by anyone anywhere. I also have NOT stated that NO ONE is as fast for as cheap. 99% of Evos aren't, though. There's always SOMEONE faster, but I'm talking vast majorities here, not absolutes. Please, try not to exaggerate so much.

 

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Again, senseless ramblings. Why are you talking about how much my MR cost? What does that have to do with ANYTHING in this discussion? It's completely irrelevant and has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. I already told you that I bought the MR for a ton of reasons (listed above). Who knows how much his VII cost? That isn't the point. The MR has features that cannot be had on the regular VIII, and I can't buy a VII...irrrelevance at its best.

I love how you attack vendors or members when you want a bit of informnation they are purposely not giving you because it would entirely prove your point. So I’m going to do the same to you, great tactic btw. You brought it up SIR, bragging how “NO ONE IS AS FAST AS ME FOR AS CHEAP”. I’m calling you out sir, so I ask again……..



How much was your MR? How much was your MR? How much was your MR?>





Did you get that? You’re not fastest for cheapest.

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\What else do you want me to put in my sig that can be related to others? Should I put all my FTD finishes in autocross competitions last year, list all the cars I blew away on the road course, show the points standings in my autocross club for the year? That's ridiculous. I post the drag numbers, because they can be compared by anyone anywhere. I also have NOT stated that NO ONE is as fast for as cheap. 99% of Evos aren't, though. There's always SOMEONE faster, but I'm talking vast majorities here, not absolutes. Please, try not to exaggerate so much.

Ohhh, I can predict the future kiddies look!!!!

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If you do not know that MAF's can and DO accept interference especially at idle then I fear that you may be mistaken. I know that you are about to delve into your clichι’ rant quips and talk about yourself but I really don’t care.

Did I ask your life story? No, why did you give it to me, sorry don’t care. So it’s 99% of the Evo’s now huh, changing your stance there a little hmmm? Before it was No one now you added 99%, yeah, ok.





Get over yourself, live and let live sir. That man bought GREAT parts and will make power with them. Some people like the nicer name brand stuff like Coke, some people like RC cola, BOTH SODA RIGHT, the same in your eyes huh.....………………………………………………………………

 

How can you challenge me with questions then tell me you don't want to hear my story? That's asinine. You ask questions; I answer them.

He bought EXPENSIVE parts, not necessarily great. What's great about them other than the namebrand and expense? He will power make with them, but for $2800, I would expect HUGE power - he won't get that. Ok, Coke vs RC Cola. Give me a break, there's another useless analogy, because the cost difference is minimal. We are talking huge cost differences in this thread.

 

How Much was your MR? He just got a used VII so I am willing to bet a lot less then you paid for your MR. How do you know he won't make 300WHP?

 

Why do you keep asking me how much my MR cost? The price is listed all over the Internet. What does it have to do with anything? How is buying a used VII of any relevance? There's more to "cost" than the price of a car. If his car is used, then it's far less valuable, is more worn, requires more maintenance, is less valuable for resale - the list goes on and on. I never said the cost of my car was less than anyone. I'm talking about the cost of mods and the resulting power.

Why don't I think he'll get 300whp? Because he has a stock cat and no BOV. Not to mention he'll have to pay a bunch more to have someone tune that Power FC. If he plans to do it himself, it's gonna take a while to learn how to use it, and it's going to require the purchase of more devices such as a wideband o2 and logger (more and more expense to reach basic power levels).