Some new toys for my VII
Originally Posted by Boosted AWD
So you are saying that the most expensive parts are the same as the cheaper parts. You said this by stating that a Happy meal is more at a designer store Vs. the actual store, same parts, sorry you analogy is wrong. I am sorry I disagree and my analogy holds firm. Your analogy states that you are paying more for the SAME parts; these are not the same parts, so your analogy doesn’t make sense. Not the same parts offered. How much did you pay for your MR? I bet a lot more then I payed for my 03 I got in June of 03, $29,500 out the door and I have about $3000 in it but $1000 on wheels and tires for the winter.
People have run 11’s for far less then you spent, I believe the record involves an exhaust removal and a Super AFC and race gas and a MBC. Is that a fair comparison, sure is. You should see what some people can do with a 1G DSM in terms of $$$$ and Time slips if you want to talk cheap. You have an MR, they offer better cam profiles then the 03-04 and of course VII guys so you have a power bump and also a larger hot side too, so it is also not apples to apples here it just isn’t.
I think you just scared the crap out of this guy, not everyone who builds their car has to do it your way or the highway, live and let live man. Again it isn’t a McDonalds Happy meal at the Ritz Carlton, it’s caviar, HKS doesn’t sell McDonalds, they offer quality parts and technology.
they're not the same of course....
but I think he's trying to say something like this...
my levi's jeans would last just as long as my armani's...but are they the same; no.
do they serve the same purpose;yes.
are they both good quality;yes
but one is designer and one is not...and one will be more expensive.
doesnt mean that it is any better than the other or that one is inferior and one is superior.
it's all in the eyes of the beholder..the person that places a value on it.
being more expensive does not mean in any way that the quality is superior. we are in the readymixed concrete industry...our prices are lower than our competitors...does this mean that our product is of lesser quality...no.
...some place the quality of an item based on its price and 'brand name/image'
some dont.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Why do you keep asking me how much my MR cost?
PROBABLY because you won't answer because it would prove my point entirely. You attacked this gentleman for spending $2,800 on parts where you bragged that you did it for $1,000 and then proceeded to BRAG that no one is as fast as you for cheaper.
You'r not gona answer so I am gona answer for you, $36,000-$38,000 you paid out the door. Add $1000 in parts or whatever you are at $37,000-$39,0000 for 11's. Fastest for cheapest huh?
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
The price is listed all over the Internet. What does it have to do with anything? How is buying a used VII of any relevance? There's more to "cost" than the price of a car. If his car is used, then it's far less valuable, is more worn, requires more maintenance, is less valuable for resale - the list goes on and on. I never said the cost of my car was less than anyone. I'm talking about the cost of mods and the resulting power.
Right, all over the net, what people see adveristised vs. what the dealer squeezed out, B.S. and you know it. Worn? who said ANYTHING about worn or used? You were bragging about fastest for cheapest, stop changing the arguement to suit your needs. People have BRAND NEW 05's that are overheating and melting the blocks because of cooling issues, so PLEASE stay on topic.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Why don't I think he'll get 300whp? Because he has a stock cat and no BOV. Not to mention he'll have to pay a bunch more to have someone tune that Power FC. If he plans to do it himself, it's gonna take a while to learn how to use it, and it's going to require the purchase of more devices such as a wideband o2 and logger (more and more expense to reach basic power levels).
How do you know he doesn't have a friend who can tune it for him? How do you know he can't? So lemy get this straight, you flew to bang Bangkok, assessed teh situation and know everything right? There is a LOT you don't know, this is not the U.S. and his options may be limited or better then hours. AGAIN I state that in his area the Powe FC may be the unit of choice.
Live and let live, can't stress that enough.
I'd have to agree with everyone else here. (Wartalon)You seem to do one of two things in everypost. Tell them to search and call them a newb..... or tell them they're idiots for spending too much money on parts. Yes we know your fast.... you've stated it 100 times over in every way possible. Compared to you yes, i'm not as good a driver and definitely not as intelligent about cars. But I do have the decency to respect other people's choices rather than using it as a chance to display my own competencies. Rather than bein helpful, it seems like you're using every post to brag about how cheap and how great your modding route was. Please understand that not everyone on this forum is here with the sole purpose of running great quartermile times or great track times. Some of us like to mod the evo with expensive parts because we like them. I'm in the process of modding my evo with hks and other brand name parts and i don't plan on going to a track. You know... to your credit you are knowledgeable and yes your mods are effective... but please understand that not everyone has the same goals in mind as you.
If all the other analogies didn't work.. then here's one.
Its winter and your cold.... you can buy a bigass jacket at sears and be warm... or you can buy a suede sports coat at Armani exchange. Both will get the job done, only some people subscribes to the latter option. Nothing wrong with that.... why can't you seem to understand that?
If all the other analogies didn't work.. then here's one.
Its winter and your cold.... you can buy a bigass jacket at sears and be warm... or you can buy a suede sports coat at Armani exchange. Both will get the job done, only some people subscribes to the latter option. Nothing wrong with that.... why can't you seem to understand that?
Okay Guy's this is gone a bit out of hand.
Firstly I would like to make a point War your making me sound like I dont have a clue when it comes to my car. I didnt mail you asking your advise I merly mailed you to see what exactly you had done to your car. Just cause i asked you some stuff doesnt mean i am going to do it myself i like to get info from as many people as i acan. Ya fair enough I could have gone done the same root as you for the cheap as you like to call it but i didnt choose to. I feel i shopped around for my products and got them cheap it could have been more exspensive i was think of going for the aps 3.5" turbo back system and a autronics or motec. but i choose not to. My parts are all good and have got great reviews all over the world and they also look good at the same time.
Your also saying I dont have a dump valve or a decat or clutch.
Now come on a DV and a decat are the least of my worries I was merly showing pics of what i had to go on those other items were going to be got and fitted at the same time as the other as i dont see the point of getting eveyrthing fitted and mapped and then having to get it done agian when the decat goes on.
ALso i do know the standard DV wouldnt be able hold the boost i will be running after the remap.
And on the clutch situation i actually a exedy twin plate carbon clutch it was the first mod i made as my clutch was slipping when i bought the car.
On the power fc i do have someone to map the car and setip the avcr that isnt a problem and they are very familiar with them dont worry.
Now war i dont see how you dont think my car wont be as fast as your car when i am done. its fair enough turning the boost up with a MBC but i feel my option will be the more reliable.
Your also saying you would be faster than both our cares well thats easy to say since my car is standard at the moment.
And about the hks timing belt and balancer belt i wanted to change my belt anyway just to be safe and the hks ones were around the same as stock so i said why not.
And dont worry about my car its not worn and tired i got the car with 32,000 km's on the clock and its a 2001 it seemed to have a nice careful owner in japan, and i had it fully checked out by mechanic who has been specialising in building evo rally cars all the way from evo 1 to 9. it has also been fully maintained by him since i got it i doubt many of the us guys have as much expeirence with evo's as this guy.
Sure we will see what times i get when i run it. Also this car wont be merly for dragging it a daily driver and it will aslo be used for tracking
Anyway thats all i have to say happy new year all.
Firstly I would like to make a point War your making me sound like I dont have a clue when it comes to my car. I didnt mail you asking your advise I merly mailed you to see what exactly you had done to your car. Just cause i asked you some stuff doesnt mean i am going to do it myself i like to get info from as many people as i acan. Ya fair enough I could have gone done the same root as you for the cheap as you like to call it but i didnt choose to. I feel i shopped around for my products and got them cheap it could have been more exspensive i was think of going for the aps 3.5" turbo back system and a autronics or motec. but i choose not to. My parts are all good and have got great reviews all over the world and they also look good at the same time.
Your also saying I dont have a dump valve or a decat or clutch.
Now come on a DV and a decat are the least of my worries I was merly showing pics of what i had to go on those other items were going to be got and fitted at the same time as the other as i dont see the point of getting eveyrthing fitted and mapped and then having to get it done agian when the decat goes on.
ALso i do know the standard DV wouldnt be able hold the boost i will be running after the remap.
And on the clutch situation i actually a exedy twin plate carbon clutch it was the first mod i made as my clutch was slipping when i bought the car.
On the power fc i do have someone to map the car and setip the avcr that isnt a problem and they are very familiar with them dont worry.
Now war i dont see how you dont think my car wont be as fast as your car when i am done. its fair enough turning the boost up with a MBC but i feel my option will be the more reliable.
Your also saying you would be faster than both our cares well thats easy to say since my car is standard at the moment.
And about the hks timing belt and balancer belt i wanted to change my belt anyway just to be safe and the hks ones were around the same as stock so i said why not.
And dont worry about my car its not worn and tired i got the car with 32,000 km's on the clock and its a 2001 it seemed to have a nice careful owner in japan, and i had it fully checked out by mechanic who has been specialising in building evo rally cars all the way from evo 1 to 9. it has also been fully maintained by him since i got it i doubt many of the us guys have as much expeirence with evo's as this guy.
Sure we will see what times i get when i run it. Also this car wont be merly for dragging it a daily driver and it will aslo be used for tracking
Anyway thats all i have to say happy new year all.
Originally Posted by funnyclub
Okay Guy's this is gone a bit out of hand.
Firstly I would like to make a point War your making me sound like I dont have a clue when it comes to my car. I didnt mail you asking your advise I merly mailed you to see what exactly you had done to your car. Just cause i asked you some stuff doesnt mean i am going to do it myself i like to get info from as many people as i acan. Ya fair enough I could have gone done the same root as you for the cheap as you like to call it but i didnt choose to. I feel i shopped around for my products and got them cheap it could have been more exspensive i was think of going for the aps 3.5" turbo back system and a autronics or motec. but i choose not to. My parts are all good and have got great reviews all over the world and they also look good at the same time.
Your also saying I dont have a dump valve or a decat or clutch.
Now come on a DV and a decat are the least of my worries I was merly showing pics of what i had to go on those other items were going to be got and fitted at the same time as the other as i dont see the point of getting eveyrthing fitted and mapped and then having to get it done agian when the decat goes on.
ALso i do know the standard DV wouldnt be able hold the boost i will be running after the remap.
And on the clutch situation i actually a exedy twin plate carbon clutch it was the first mod i made as my clutch was slipping when i bought the car.
On the power fc i do have someone to map the car and setip the avcr that isnt a problem and they are very familiar with them dont worry.
Now war i dont see how you dont think my car wont be as fast as your car when i am done. its fair enough turning the boost up with a MBC but i feel my option will be the more reliable.
Your also saying you would be faster than both our cares well thats easy to say since my car is standard at the moment.
And about the hks timing belt and balancer belt i wanted to change my belt anyway just to be safe and the hks ones were around the same as stock so i said why not.
And dont worry about my car its not worn and tired i got the car with 32,000 km's on the clock and its a 2001 it seemed to have a nice careful owner in japan, and i had it fully checked out by mechanic who has been specialising in building evo rally cars all the way from evo 1 to 9. it has also been fully maintained by him since i got it i doubt many of the us guys have as much expeirence with evo's as this guy.
Sure we will see what times i get when i run it. Also this car wont be merly for dragging it a daily driver and it will aslo be used for tracking
Anyway thats all i have to say happy new year all.
Firstly I would like to make a point War your making me sound like I dont have a clue when it comes to my car. I didnt mail you asking your advise I merly mailed you to see what exactly you had done to your car. Just cause i asked you some stuff doesnt mean i am going to do it myself i like to get info from as many people as i acan. Ya fair enough I could have gone done the same root as you for the cheap as you like to call it but i didnt choose to. I feel i shopped around for my products and got them cheap it could have been more exspensive i was think of going for the aps 3.5" turbo back system and a autronics or motec. but i choose not to. My parts are all good and have got great reviews all over the world and they also look good at the same time.
Your also saying I dont have a dump valve or a decat or clutch.
Now come on a DV and a decat are the least of my worries I was merly showing pics of what i had to go on those other items were going to be got and fitted at the same time as the other as i dont see the point of getting eveyrthing fitted and mapped and then having to get it done agian when the decat goes on.
ALso i do know the standard DV wouldnt be able hold the boost i will be running after the remap.
And on the clutch situation i actually a exedy twin plate carbon clutch it was the first mod i made as my clutch was slipping when i bought the car.
On the power fc i do have someone to map the car and setip the avcr that isnt a problem and they are very familiar with them dont worry.
Now war i dont see how you dont think my car wont be as fast as your car when i am done. its fair enough turning the boost up with a MBC but i feel my option will be the more reliable.
Your also saying you would be faster than both our cares well thats easy to say since my car is standard at the moment.
And about the hks timing belt and balancer belt i wanted to change my belt anyway just to be safe and the hks ones were around the same as stock so i said why not.
And dont worry about my car its not worn and tired i got the car with 32,000 km's on the clock and its a 2001 it seemed to have a nice careful owner in japan, and i had it fully checked out by mechanic who has been specialising in building evo rally cars all the way from evo 1 to 9. it has also been fully maintained by him since i got it i doubt many of the us guys have as much expeirence with evo's as this guy.
Sure we will see what times i get when i run it. Also this car wont be merly for dragging it a daily driver and it will aslo be used for tracking
Anyway thats all i have to say happy new year all.
Originally Posted by Boosted AWD
Your going to be way faster for WAY cheaper if you keep modding cuz your used 2001 VII was probably $10,000 $15,000 less then his new 05 MR. Do what you like.
Seriously wartalon.... why didn't you just buy a 2003 used evo 8 for 19 thousand.... Then just get a nice turbo swap with all the boltons and run 11s or even 10s with the extra 14,000 dollars for mods..... If everyone on this board is to follow your logic of saving cash for better track results, you really should've set a better example.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Huh? How am I not making sense. when did I trip over my ego? His setup will not be anywhere near as fast as mine. MAFs take interference and they may even stall??????? What in the WORLD are you talking about? shields from outside sounds!!!! HAhaha, oh my Lord, this is getting rich. Again, I USE the stock airbox. I did not spend HUNDREDS of dollars to replace it with ANOTHER airbox. Our cars do not stall because of noise that isn't shielded by the stock airbox due to an aftermarket intake. That's crazy talk.
Uh, again, horrible analogy. I could have easily bought a used Evo and run 11s for a less combined total, but I didn't buy my Evo just to run the 1/4-mile. It's an entire package, it's a limited edition, it has more features, no worries, wasn't used or abused, has a full 5yr/60k miles warranty, was brand new, came with a 3yr/45k free maintenance, has nicer/lighter rims, has a 6spd, etc etc etc. Again, you're comparing things of no likeness.
Uh, again, horrible analogy. I could have easily bought a used Evo and run 11s for a less combined total, but I didn't buy my Evo just to run the 1/4-mile. It's an entire package, it's a limited edition, it has more features, no worries, wasn't used or abused, has a full 5yr/60k miles warranty, was brand new, came with a 3yr/45k free maintenance, has nicer/lighter rims, has a 6spd, etc etc etc. Again, you're comparing things of no likeness.
megan dp... after many versions i still wouldn't trust that they clear the tie bars and won't rattle. same with helix. i know works makes one that fits... and i might just buy it cuz it's that streamlined. it's a premium priced item too!
what do you think about titanium... is that ok to spend money on... cuz it's definitely premium price... but i'd say the weight savings are priceless.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Huh? How am I not making sense. when did I trip over my ego? His setup will not be anywhere near as fast as mine. MAFs take interference and they may even stall??????? What in the WORLD are you talking about? shields from outside sounds!!!! HAhaha, oh my Lord, this is getting rich. Again, I USE the stock airbox. I did not spend HUNDREDS of dollars to replace it with ANOTHER airbox. Our cars do not stall because of noise that isn't shielded by the stock airbox due to an aftermarket intake. That's crazy talk.
Uh, again, horrible analogy. I could have easily bought a used Evo and run 11s for a less combined total, but I didn't buy my Evo just to run the 1/4-mile. It's an entire package, it's a limited edition, it has more features, no worries, wasn't used or abused, has a full 5yr/60k miles warranty, was brand new, came with a 3yr/45k free maintenance, has nicer/lighter rims, has a 6spd, etc etc etc. Again, you're comparing things of no likeness.
Uh, again, horrible analogy. I could have easily bought a used Evo and run 11s for a less combined total, but I didn't buy my Evo just to run the 1/4-mile. It's an entire package, it's a limited edition, it has more features, no worries, wasn't used or abused, has a full 5yr/60k miles warranty, was brand new, came with a 3yr/45k free maintenance, has nicer/lighter rims, has a 6spd, etc etc etc. Again, you're comparing things of no likeness.
Last edited by trinydex; Jan 6, 2006 at 03:15 PM.
Originally Posted by Boosted AWD
Your going to be way faster for WAY cheaper if you keep modding cuz your used 2001 VII was probably $10,000 $15,000 less then his new 05 MR. Do what you like.
My hole intent with car was to just do exhaust and intake mods and then get the most out of them by getting a standalone ecu. Basically making the car run better.
Not to have a 12s, 11s, 10s etc car. I will also probably change the wheels to make it stand out that bit more.
I put the pics of my stuff on the net to show you guys, as most probably havnt seen the tomei stuff and get some feed back not to start a big war over who spent most.
Also and finally fair play to war with getting the times he gots with his mods.
I only wish i could have afforded a MR but thats life I am not doing to bad having a VII at 25 in Ireland thats doing well considering the price of cars, Insurance and petrol....
Anyway I am sure those times are not just done to the car I'd say War has something to do with it also.... I am sure he will back me on that.
Well i will hopefully have the parts fitted soon and i will post results and pics..
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Originally Posted by Boosted AWD
Can someone show me a DIRECT link to that Tomie 02 housing for the life of me I can't find it, help????
Hope this helps.
Originally Posted by funnyclub
