Engine Blown Mitsu will not cover repairs HELP.
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Well first off I KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I only boosted 20pai a coupel times. I am not stupid. I just wanted to up the boost for this one run cause money was on the line. I ended up wining but at the end of the race my engine blew. Was it worth the $200 wager? of course not. But it sure was an adrenaline rush that was worth it. And it was a great weekend of some father and son bonding.
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From: Freehold, NJ
Originally Posted by rudebwoyt
To make a long story short, my car has been out of comission for just about a month now.
The story is that because hoses that connected to the Waste gate were cut, they assume I was "overboosting" and they will not cover the new Short block and head that I need.
What actually happened is the piston melted and warped the cylinder, and also some values in the head were damaged also.
They will not cover the short block and head that needs to be replaced, because they claim the car was overboosting.
Stock wastegate
Stock turbo
Stock intake
Stock exhaust.
SAFC II
Profec B set to 19psi high / 15psi low
reason for the profec B, low boost to save gas for daily driving.
The head of service actually said they would do the work a week ago, but the district manager happened to be in town and took a look, and denied the repairs under warranty.
My car is at the dealership with the engine torn down, and I have no clue what to do now.
Where do I go from here?
The story is that because hoses that connected to the Waste gate were cut, they assume I was "overboosting" and they will not cover the new Short block and head that I need.
What actually happened is the piston melted and warped the cylinder, and also some values in the head were damaged also.
They will not cover the short block and head that needs to be replaced, because they claim the car was overboosting.
Stock wastegate
Stock turbo
Stock intake
Stock exhaust.
SAFC II
Profec B set to 19psi high / 15psi low
reason for the profec B, low boost to save gas for daily driving.
The head of service actually said they would do the work a week ago, but the district manager happened to be in town and took a look, and denied the repairs under warranty.
My car is at the dealership with the engine torn down, and I have no clue what to do now.
Where do I go from here?
In my honest opinion, you are going to have to pay for the repairs.
Originally Posted by my91talontsi
The fact of the matter is the dealer DOES make money when it does warranty work. And at our dealerships you must get ALL warranty parts installed by us. Our manufacturers do not allow customers to install the parts.
Also, A/F ratios are not negated through the drivetrain. The transission(if that's what you are referring to) has nothing to do with air/fuel ratios. If you run an inproper A/F you will damage the engine.
Also, A/F ratios are not negated through the drivetrain. The transission(if that's what you are referring to) has nothing to do with air/fuel ratios. If you run an inproper A/F you will damage the engine.
And show me in writing where it says that the customers arent allowed to do the work from an official honda document.
I never said a/f ratios were negated through the drivetrain please read explicitly what I said instead of putting words in my mouth. I will greatly appreciate this.
Your last sentence is what I just said!
Originally Posted by Karma'sEvo
PLEASE learn how to read before you take it upon yourself to chastize me.. the comment i quoted was made after the thread originators original comment which made absolutley no mention of a "tune" at all.. He did on the other hand say he was running a boost controller at 19psi which is the stock boost for that car. Which is why i posted what I did.
I think you need to learn a little more about tuning and the effects it has on your engine before you post. Boost controller is not a small mod and neither is an incorrect tune. Please visit EVO "engine/turbo and drivetrain" forum to learn more ...
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Originally Posted by PurgeIt
I smell bull****. So you left in a non-Honda ECU and they were totally cool with it eh? And you used a N/A ECU with a turbo? interesting...
Messing with the fuel map and blowing your engine is a cause for warranty denial, plain and simple.
Messing with the fuel map and blowing your engine is a cause for warranty denial, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
And please xplain to me sir how it makes money doing warranty work and issuing warranty parts?
And show me in writing where it says that the customers arent allowed to do the work from an official honda document.
I never said a/f ratios were negated through the drivetrain please read explicitly what I said instead of putting words in my mouth. I will greatly appreciate this.
Your last sentence is what I just said!
And show me in writing where it says that the customers arent allowed to do the work from an official honda document.
I never said a/f ratios were negated through the drivetrain please read explicitly what I said instead of putting words in my mouth. I will greatly appreciate this.
Your last sentence is what I just said!
I re read your other post and I guess I'm missing something. This does not make sense to me:
I would guess that a tech from honda would understand that a/f ratios have NOTHING to do with your drivetrain. Rather They directly have to do with your engine, then the power created from those changes in a/f ratios are negated through your drivetrain.
Last edited by my91talontsi; Feb 9, 2006 at 08:39 PM.
Originally Posted by PurgeIt
I smell bull****. So you left in a non-Honda ECU and they were totally cool with it eh? And you used a N/A ECU with a turbo? interesting...
Messing with the fuel map and blowing your engine is a cause for warranty denial, plain and simple.
Messing with the fuel map and blowing your engine is a cause for warranty denial, plain and simple.
You are a total and complete idiot! Mugen is specifially designed for hondas. Go back to blowing up your engines.
The ecu was designed for turbo applications. The safc is for any engine you nimrod!
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Honda does it! I had a turboed RSX that had a Mugen ecu and I ended up blowing the motor @ 20psi on the stock internals. Took the turbo stuff off left the Mugen ecu in with the apexi vtec controller and a few other things. And honda gave me a brand new k20 engine the only stipulation was that I had to install it myself which I prefered anyway. Jeez get a clue dude. A boost controller and a SAFC is not much of a modification. Now if he upgraded turbos, injectors, fuel pump, etc etc then I would see the necessity in voiding a warranty. But if he left everything stock and just messed with the air/fuel furthermore he turned the boost DOWN NOT UP. Then mitsu DEFINITELY has to warranty that ****.
Now if he was over 19psi and there was a way too indicate that to prove that he was then I would void warranty too. However, this is not the case. This is just another frail attempt by mitsu to renig on their warranty as it always does.
Again anyone have a supra they want to trade for? I have a 06 EVO 9.
Show me any other engine that has blown from just a safc and a boost controller and the boost was turned down not up. Show me that bud.
Now if he was over 19psi and there was a way too indicate that to prove that he was then I would void warranty too. However, this is not the case. This is just another frail attempt by mitsu to renig on their warranty as it always does.
Again anyone have a supra they want to trade for? I have a 06 EVO 9.
Show me any other engine that has blown from just a safc and a boost controller and the boost was turned down not up. Show me that bud.
Everything you have said so far in this thread is BS X 1,000,000 ... you obviously don't know how dealership warranty works as you are trying to contradict service techs on our forum.
Sell your EVO for a Supra, if you think Mitsu is so bad with their warranty, the rest of us
owners will be better of when we go in for legit warranty work because someone like you mods his EVO, blows his engine, returns it back to stock and then tries to get free warranty work done.I'll tell you what, go buy a SAFC change the AFR to 14:1 through out the RPM range (til redline) and turn to boost to 21psi and see what happens to your engine. Hell try that on your SUPRA engine and see if it survives ...
I'm sure that will be a rush ... gimme a break
Originally Posted by my91talontsi
The manufacturer pays the dealer a labor rate and time to install the parts and the dealer bills the manufacturer for the part. Dealers do not take money out of their pockets to perform warranty repairs.
I re read your other post and I guess I'm missing something. This does not make sense to me:
The power created from changes in a/f ratios are not negated through your powertrain.
I re read your other post and I guess I'm missing something. This does not make sense to me:
The power created from changes in a/f ratios are not negated through your powertrain.
Also to your last sentence you are reading it wrong. What that is saying is the hp that was created from the a/f ratio changes is negated through your drivetrain(meaning it is transfered and used). Sorry for the unclarification.
Originally Posted by DaWorstPlaya
Did you tell the dealership that you had modded your RSX with a turbo before you took it back and got a new block? If not, that's fraud you know
Everything you have said so far in this thread is BS X 1,000,000 ... you obviously don't know how dealership warranty works as you are trying to contradict service techs on our forum.
Sell your EVO for a Supra, if you think Mitsu is so bad with their warranty, the rest of us owners will be better of when we go in for legit warranty work because someone like you mods his EVO, blows his engine, returns it back to stock and then tries to get free warranty work done.
I'll tell you what, go buy a SAFC change the AFR to 14:1 through out the RPM range (til redline) and turn to boost to 21psi and see what happens to your engine. Hell try that on your SUPRA engine and see if it survives ...
I'm sure that will be a rush ... gimme a break
Everything you have said so far in this thread is BS X 1,000,000 ... you obviously don't know how dealership warranty works as you are trying to contradict service techs on our forum.
Sell your EVO for a Supra, if you think Mitsu is so bad with their warranty, the rest of us
owners will be better of when we go in for legit warranty work because someone like you mods his EVO, blows his engine, returns it back to stock and then tries to get free warranty work done.I'll tell you what, go buy a SAFC change the AFR to 14:1 through out the RPM range (til redline) and turn to boost to 21psi and see what happens to your engine. Hell try that on your SUPRA engine and see if it survives ...
I'm sure that will be a rush ... gimme a break
So what have I said that is BS? And can you prove it is BS?
Again I have asked severla times politely to show me in writing from certified honda docs where it says what you say? And so far I keep getting a bunch of senseless posts.
AGAIN PROVE ME WRONG! I am still waiting.
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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Ok now that makes sense however, there is something you are missing. If the manufacturer loses money from a dealer guess who is out the bonus? So in actuality they do lose money just in other areas because of that warranty. Trust me people DONT make money issuing free labor and free parts. The cost comes from somewhere. In this case the dealer is responsible and so is the manufacturer. This is just common sense.
I've worked at car dealerships for many years. Ask anyone on this forum that has or does work for one and they will tell you the same.
99.9% of the time the factory takes responsibilty for the all the labor and parts costs.
Last edited by my91talontsi; Feb 9, 2006 at 08:55 PM.
Originally Posted by SKILMATIC
Did mitsu tell us that they renig on their warranties? I guess you know the answer to your inept question.
So what have I said that is BS? And can you prove it is BS?
Again I have asked severla times politely to show me in writing from certified honda docs where it says what you say? And so far I keep getting a bunch of senseless posts.
AGAIN PROVE ME WRONG! I am still waiting.
So what have I said that is BS? And can you prove it is BS?
Again I have asked severla times politely to show me in writing from certified honda docs where it says what you say? And so far I keep getting a bunch of senseless posts.
AGAIN PROVE ME WRONG! I am still waiting.
Try getting an education before you post senseless crap. Please show where in this thread I am asking an "inept question"? Yes it is BS, we all know it is BS, there is nothing to prove. Infact ,the burden of proof to back up your BS lies with you. Most of us are old enough to know how dealerships work and how they make money.You still haven't answered my question, did you tell the Acura/Honda dealership you turboed your RSX? a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
