UnBelievable!!! SDPD training video on "Modified Vehicles"!
i made a post about this in off topic. going to venders about this in cali would be a waist of time, they dont care as long as they make money. and the communist republic of california would laugh at them for trying to change what "normal" people want as law. dont get me wrong i dont believe in street racing, i race at the track, but the sound of getting bust for the blue hose really gets under my skin. i agree with enderr hide what you got and no trouble will call on you.
Im just saying its the same concept not saying its easier or harder. But seriously there are far more worse things in california then modified cars, if you particapate in street racing thats an action that could result in death, impounded car, prison time. Im not for this, i've modified cars for a while and love it, but no cop is going to stop that and I doubt it anyone else will stop because some pigs are doing this now.
Originally Posted by Speedlimit
Most of the "pre-emptive" police actions are in response to the street racing scene in California. Every time we participate in a street race, we add another nail in the modification coffin. The police are responding to the public's call for the elimination of street racing. That is the 55 year old grandma who was run off the road avoiding a car doing 100 mph on a city street. It is the neighborhood complaining about the noise at midnight from squealing tires and loud exhaust. It is the dad whose wife and two kids were killed by an out of control racer.
We are responsible for creating the enforcement issues, not the police. We cannot participate and condone street racing, then complain when the police enforce the laws designed to curb it. You can't have it both ways anymore. Either stop supporting street racing, or resign yourself to the addition of floor mats and shift knobs as the only legal modifications. And what is happening in California could very well be a model for other states unless we stop irresponsible racing that results in death and injuries.
Speedlimit...
We are responsible for creating the enforcement issues, not the police. We cannot participate and condone street racing, then complain when the police enforce the laws designed to curb it. You can't have it both ways anymore. Either stop supporting street racing, or resign yourself to the addition of floor mats and shift knobs as the only legal modifications. And what is happening in California could very well be a model for other states unless we stop irresponsible racing that results in death and injuries.
Speedlimit...
And as for the harley comment, its a *****, but anything that is factory on a car or bike, is 100% legal, it has to be for the dealer to sell it. that's why almost all cars come with a few miles on them, they have to be tested (and why you don't have to go do emissions/inspections right after you buy your car).
Also, on to my rant about cars passing inspections/emissions... Why is it that if I have a little tint in the wrong spot, or an exhaust that PASSES emissions but is missing a cat (fairly high end of low emissions too, I might add) but a car with one headlight, a broken blinker, and no taillights can drive right in front of a police car and not get pulled over? Because I am totally more of a threat on the road than a barely visable car, that's why.
Some of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The video doesn't promote cops to ticket every single modified vehicle on the road. That's stupid. It educates the police on what is illegal and what makes for PC to stop the vehicle. I'm sure many of you have even been pulled over on the premis that "your exhaust is modified, that's why I stopped you". How many of you actually got a ticket. Not counting the ones who were being an a$$ at the time of the stop (or the ones who got pulled over by CHP....it's their job....traffic and accidents.....sorry).
PC to stop a vehicle is what nets us all the felony arrests. People aren't so stupid (some anyways) as to walk around with a sign on their chest saying "hey I'm a parolee at large, my wants are parole violation, attempted murder, and ADW". That takes investigative work. Pulling people over for little things like the cracked taillight out, etc. are how we catch these people.
Hell I just pulled over an evo the other day for having pink rear turn signals (illegal btw). I didn't give him a ticket...but I did run him for warrants. Not a big deal. I let him go. We had an evo stolen and totaled a couple of months ago, I wanted to make sure the car was his. The reason I pulled him over, aside from the turn signals, was because I had never seen an evo in the area that I patrol. Kind of unusual in that neighborhood. Not a bad area all together, but bordered by a ghetto with a bunch of parolee families, lots of stolen cars, and drugs. I informed him of the possibility of having his car stolen in the neighborhood and told him to park it in the garage "have a nice day". If that makes us bad people...so be it. If he was an a$$ I would have given him a ticket. That's usually a prerequisit for me.
Aside from that, if I actually caught someone racing in my neighborhoods or general area....I am going to pop the hood, find out whatever does not have a dot or carb approval and cite the hell out of him/her. Price you pay. Until it becomes legal to drive 100 miles per hour in an area where normal traffic is doing 30, that is going to be our reaction.
Btw, for you evo owners who own their own shops, companies, (make a lot of money) etc. petition your city to build a track for these such events. Get together and be organized. Find out what signatures you would need, an area where it would be able to host it, and go from there. Our departments have looked into it but found that it was too expensive from the get go. In other words, not advantageous for our departments (read: money>kids lives). If someone can get it started I'm pretty sure our departments will support the idea as long as it is done correctly (IE having police on site, fire and amr on site, rules, safety regulations). Didn't somewhere down south like LA do something like this???
PC to stop a vehicle is what nets us all the felony arrests. People aren't so stupid (some anyways) as to walk around with a sign on their chest saying "hey I'm a parolee at large, my wants are parole violation, attempted murder, and ADW". That takes investigative work. Pulling people over for little things like the cracked taillight out, etc. are how we catch these people.
Hell I just pulled over an evo the other day for having pink rear turn signals (illegal btw). I didn't give him a ticket...but I did run him for warrants. Not a big deal. I let him go. We had an evo stolen and totaled a couple of months ago, I wanted to make sure the car was his. The reason I pulled him over, aside from the turn signals, was because I had never seen an evo in the area that I patrol. Kind of unusual in that neighborhood. Not a bad area all together, but bordered by a ghetto with a bunch of parolee families, lots of stolen cars, and drugs. I informed him of the possibility of having his car stolen in the neighborhood and told him to park it in the garage "have a nice day". If that makes us bad people...so be it. If he was an a$$ I would have given him a ticket. That's usually a prerequisit for me.
Aside from that, if I actually caught someone racing in my neighborhoods or general area....I am going to pop the hood, find out whatever does not have a dot or carb approval and cite the hell out of him/her. Price you pay. Until it becomes legal to drive 100 miles per hour in an area where normal traffic is doing 30, that is going to be our reaction.
Btw, for you evo owners who own their own shops, companies, (make a lot of money) etc. petition your city to build a track for these such events. Get together and be organized. Find out what signatures you would need, an area where it would be able to host it, and go from there. Our departments have looked into it but found that it was too expensive from the get go. In other words, not advantageous for our departments (read: money>kids lives). If someone can get it started I'm pretty sure our departments will support the idea as long as it is done correctly (IE having police on site, fire and amr on site, rules, safety regulations). Didn't somewhere down south like LA do something like this???
+1 Gonzo314
The law is the law. Comply with it, but if you don't like it or agree with it, then work to get it changed (and yes, sometimes that does work - eg. proposed NJ law on decibel levels for exhausts so you won't get pulled over/ticketed just based on someone's opinion of a loud exhaust). If what you're doing to your car no longer makes it street legal, then just keep it for track purposes and get a daily driver.
No comment on the blue hose thing though. That made me laugh and cringe at the same time...
The law is the law. Comply with it, but if you don't like it or agree with it, then work to get it changed (and yes, sometimes that does work - eg. proposed NJ law on decibel levels for exhausts so you won't get pulled over/ticketed just based on someone's opinion of a loud exhaust). If what you're doing to your car no longer makes it street legal, then just keep it for track purposes and get a daily driver.
No comment on the blue hose thing though. That made me laugh and cringe at the same time...
CARMAEVO8 It's expensive and there is a lot of red tape. Be aware. Get some cosponsors. It's the right thing to do, it just takes a lot to get it started. Neighborhoods find out about the plan and immediately fight it with everything they have. I guess they want this to continue on their streets. You have to sacrifice a little to gain a lot.
Originally Posted by UT_Evo
Because all of us on EvoM are hardcore streetracers... And you call yourself our moderator... "We" aren't responsible for anything, most of "we" keep it on the track... I am incredibly annoyed that you just generalized all of us as "we" and that "we" are all the cause of these laws, its like saying "we" are the cause of the insurance rise, I'm not the 30 year old guy trying to drift my Evo in a parking lot... The only I have done to increase insurance at all is had my car broken into. I didn't run the grandma off the road, I didn't kill the wife and two kids (as a matter of fact, I got run off the road by a grandma going 40 in a 25 on ice in a neighborhood, luckily there was room that nothing happened except for her almost having a heart attack) I'm sorry that someone did those things, but it wasn't me. Please don't stereotype, it makes you look just as bad as these people stereotyping against police, the police stereotyping against them, and the street racers. If you had said "those of you who support street racing are the cause of this" that'd be fine... we... hell that even means that YOU are part of that we... In no way do I support street racing... Please moderate yourself, and then feel free to delete this part of my post.
I do not street race and am one of the primary supporters of our "no street racing" policy here at Evom. Your condescending remarks were unnecessary and a misinterpretation of my intent. Sorry.

Speedlimit....
Originally Posted by Gonzo314
Some of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The video doesn't promote cops to ticket every single modified vehicle on the road. That's stupid. It educates the police on what is illegal and what makes for PC to stop the vehicle. I'm sure many of you have even been pulled over on the premis that "your exhaust is modified, that's why I stopped you". How many of you actually got a ticket. Not counting the ones who were being an a$$ at the time of the stop (or the ones who got pulled over by CHP....it's their job....traffic and accidents.....sorry).
PC to stop a vehicle is what nets us all the felony arrests. People aren't so stupid (some anyways) as to walk around with a sign on their chest saying "hey I'm a parolee at large, my wants are parole violation, attempted murder, and ADW". That takes investigative work. Pulling people over for little things like the cracked taillight out, etc. are how we catch these people.
Hell I just pulled over an evo the other day for having pink rear turn signals (illegal btw). I didn't give him a ticket...but I did run him for warrants. Not a big deal. I let him go. We had an evo stolen and totaled a couple of months ago, I wanted to make sure the car was his. The reason I pulled him over, aside from the turn signals, was because I had never seen an evo in the area that I patrol. Kind of unusual in that neighborhood. Not a bad area all together, but bordered by a ghetto with a bunch of parolee families, lots of stolen cars, and drugs. I informed him of the possibility of having his car stolen in the neighborhood and told him to park it in the garage "have a nice day". If that makes us bad people...so be it. If he was an a$$ I would have given him a ticket. That's usually a prerequisit for me.
Aside from that, if I actually caught someone racing in my neighborhoods or general area....I am going to pop the hood, find out whatever does not have a dot or carb approval and cite the hell out of him/her. Price you pay. Until it becomes legal to drive 100 miles per hour in an area where normal traffic is doing 30, that is going to be our reaction.
Btw, for you evo owners who own their own shops, companies, (make a lot of money) etc. petition your city to build a track for these such events. Get together and be organized. Find out what signatures you would need, an area where it would be able to host it, and go from there. Our departments have looked into it but found that it was too expensive from the get go. In other words, not advantageous for our departments (read: money>kids lives). If someone can get it started I'm pretty sure our departments will support the idea as long as it is done correctly (IE having police on site, fire and amr on site, rules, safety regulations). Didn't somewhere down south like LA do something like this???
PC to stop a vehicle is what nets us all the felony arrests. People aren't so stupid (some anyways) as to walk around with a sign on their chest saying "hey I'm a parolee at large, my wants are parole violation, attempted murder, and ADW". That takes investigative work. Pulling people over for little things like the cracked taillight out, etc. are how we catch these people.
Hell I just pulled over an evo the other day for having pink rear turn signals (illegal btw). I didn't give him a ticket...but I did run him for warrants. Not a big deal. I let him go. We had an evo stolen and totaled a couple of months ago, I wanted to make sure the car was his. The reason I pulled him over, aside from the turn signals, was because I had never seen an evo in the area that I patrol. Kind of unusual in that neighborhood. Not a bad area all together, but bordered by a ghetto with a bunch of parolee families, lots of stolen cars, and drugs. I informed him of the possibility of having his car stolen in the neighborhood and told him to park it in the garage "have a nice day". If that makes us bad people...so be it. If he was an a$$ I would have given him a ticket. That's usually a prerequisit for me.
Aside from that, if I actually caught someone racing in my neighborhoods or general area....I am going to pop the hood, find out whatever does not have a dot or carb approval and cite the hell out of him/her. Price you pay. Until it becomes legal to drive 100 miles per hour in an area where normal traffic is doing 30, that is going to be our reaction.
Btw, for you evo owners who own their own shops, companies, (make a lot of money) etc. petition your city to build a track for these such events. Get together and be organized. Find out what signatures you would need, an area where it would be able to host it, and go from there. Our departments have looked into it but found that it was too expensive from the get go. In other words, not advantageous for our departments (read: money>kids lives). If someone can get it started I'm pretty sure our departments will support the idea as long as it is done correctly (IE having police on site, fire and amr on site, rules, safety regulations). Didn't somewhere down south like LA do something like this???
Originally Posted by Speedlimit
Most of the "pre-emptive" police actions are in response to the street racing scene in California. Every time we participate in a street race, we add another nail in the modification coffin. The police are responding to the public's call for the elimination of street racing. That is the 55 year old grandma who was run off the road avoiding a car doing 100 mph on a city street. It is the neighborhood complaining about the noise at midnight from squealing tires and loud exhaust. It is the dad whose wife and two kids were killed by an out of control racer.
We are responsible for creating the enforcement issues, not the police. We cannot participate and condone street racing, then complain when the police enforce the laws designed to curb it. You can't have it both ways anymore. Either stop supporting street racing, or resign yourself to the addition of floor mats and shift knobs as the only legal modifications. And what is happening in California could very well be a model for other states unless we stop irresponsible racing that results in death and injuries.
Speedlimit...
We are responsible for creating the enforcement issues, not the police. We cannot participate and condone street racing, then complain when the police enforce the laws designed to curb it. You can't have it both ways anymore. Either stop supporting street racing, or resign yourself to the addition of floor mats and shift knobs as the only legal modifications. And what is happening in California could very well be a model for other states unless we stop irresponsible racing that results in death and injuries.
Speedlimit...
It seems that whenever the law reacts to a trend, they do so with ignorance.
Just because a guy is driving a modified car doesn't necessarily coin that person as a street racer. But it also does NOT exclude him from the possibility.
Ive been thinking of an analogy or some comparison....it is a profiling circumstance.
Look at a commiunity or a group of people, lets say a senior class of high schoolers. One kid gets his eyebrow pierced and gets caught with poit.
Another kid gets caught with pot and also has an array of piercings.
Now anyone with piercings is a pot head? I had many piercings....and now I dont. But this circumsytance unfolded in my highschool and there was a big problem.
The overwhelming fact is that there arent enouygh people who ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
People behind a desk dreaming up solutions to a problem they aren't sure they know what causes it.
Its like trying to cure a sickness without testing for the disease itself. Throwing radiation therapy at someone who "looks like they have cancer but we're not sure
" isnt the greatest plan.
Thank God Cali is 3K miles away.
13-0 I guess I better go out and start writing some more tickets...I haven't met my quota yet...I may lose my Christmas bonus....Oh noooo, what am I to do??? My state needs more money...I may lose my job!!!! Oh noooo. Too much.


