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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 04:30 PM
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EVO vs. [The Competition]

WORKS was doing a little benchmark testing against some of the cars the EVO is likely to encounter out on the road. Our non-timed, "street race" style experiments yielded the following results.

EVO vs. 2002 Audi S4

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by car length and a half. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust. Mods to S4 included chip, DP, and catback.

EVO vs. Supercharged 1997 M3

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by half a car length. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust and lightweight WORKS rims. Mods on M3 included Dinan Supercharger, intake, exhaust, throttle body and chip.

EVO vs. 2002 WRX Wagon.

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by two car lengths. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust. WRX was stock. WRX also had an additional passenger.

Please note that this testing was not timed and was conducted in a controlled environment. The purpose of this testing was to gauge engine flexibility and responsiveness only. However, I thought that EVO enthusiasts might be interested to see how the EVO faired against some of the competition.

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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 04:55 PM
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Re: EVO vs. [The Competition]

Originally posted by DavidV@WORKS
WORKS was doing a little benchmark testing against some of the cars the EVO is likely to encounter out on the road. Our non-timed, "street race" style experiments yielded the following results.

EVO vs. 2002 Audi S4

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by car length and a half. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust. Mods to S4 included chip, DP, and catback.

EVO vs. Supercharged 1997 M3

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by half a car length. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust and lightweight WORKS rims. Mods on M3 included Dinan Supercharger, intake, exhaust, throttle body and chip.

EVO vs. 2002 WRX Wagon.

Third through fourth gear pull. EVO leads by two car lengths. Mods on EVO were limited to WORKS prototype catback exhaust. WRX was stock. WRX also had an additional passenger.

Please note that this testing was not timed and was conducted in a controlled environment. The purpose of this testing was to gauge engine flexibility and responsiveness only. However, I thought that EVO enthusiasts might be interested to see how the EVO faired against some of the competition.

-- DavidV
Very nice David .... thanx for informative post. Of course, we all can't wait for the stock evo vs. stock STi comparison. Too bad it's too early to tell.

Hey, after reading some literature on the evo, I remember reading (can't remember exact details) something about how designed our stock muffler a specific way to increase flow. Could this be to compensate for the restriction caused by the cataly. converters? ... all 3 of them I believe there is. What is your take on this? ... and I know this is a bit premmature to ask ... but since I will have no way to see your product debut (I'm in FL), what ideas (in general) have to come up to outperform the stock exhaust set-up?

Thanks -- Jeff
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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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very interesting test. do you think you guys will be testing each car on a race course or quarter mile?

Bryan
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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 05:34 PM
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there are some official/professional stats out there for the EVO 8 and a TON of other cars. Gives you a view of the performance curve of the vehicle as well as 1/4 mile, 60 mph times and the like. Check it out!

www.car-stats.com/stats/search/choosemake.aspx

(I've been arguing with my boss on what the Evo could beat... this gave me so much fuel... yeehaaa!!!)

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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by DavidV@WORKS
What was the speed or rpm reading at the start of the 3d gear roll-on?
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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by SouthernCrane
very interesting test. do you think you guys will be testing each car on a race course or quarter mile?

Bryan
Hi Bryan,

Yes, we most definitely will. We will also provide actual lap, standing start, passing and quarter mile times that are more reliable than the current car lengths measurements. This was just a teaser of things to come as I'm sure people on the board have been wondering how the real world power of the EVO translates into performance.

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p.s. It was nice meeting you at San Mateo. Your car looked terrific.
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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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Re: Re: EVO vs. [The Competition]

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Very nice David .... thanx for informative post. ... what ideas (in general) have to come up to outperform the stock exhaust set-up?

Thanks -- Jeff
Hi Jeff,

It's killing me to bite my tongue on this, but all I can say for now is stay tuned until April 25th, at which point I will be able to answer these and other questions regarding the EVO's factory exhaust system and how ours (and other) aftermarket items address exhaust flow.

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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 08:20 PM
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What was the speed or rpm reading at the start of the 3d gear roll-on?
Varied speeds for these tests -- Again, the point of our little experiments were not scientific in terms of attempting to assign hard numbers, as we were more interested in looking at boost characteristics.

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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 03:00 AM
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I realize that you have clearly stated that these tests were not scientific but come on... A car and a half on an s4 with dp's, chip and exhaust? People run 12.9-13.2 with that setup.
And then the evo only beats the wrx by 2 car lengths? There is no way a wrx is within half a car of a stage2+ s4.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 03:10 AM
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The reason the Evo is so good at these roll-on races is that it has an extremely quick boost response. Almost instantaneous in fact. This allows it to get an early lead and keep pulling in these 3rd/4th gear contests.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by theheff
The reason the Evo is so good at these roll-on races is that it has an extremely quick boost response. Almost instantaneous in fact. This allows it to get an early lead and keep pulling in these 3rd/4th gear contests.
I dont think that its quick boost response would make up for a 70 hp and 100 tq deficit especially since the s4 is a twin turbo. But hey to each their own, just throwing in my opinion.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 08:16 AM
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I'm not buyin it either, the WRX is pig upstairs. My stock rex with 7500 miles ran 94.5-96 MPH in the 1/4 in 25 degree weather. In 60-70 degree weather, the EVO still feels a lot faster and I haven't hit over 5500 RPM yet.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 02:02 PM
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Sounds a bit fishy. A supercharged M3? Some how I don't believe that a car with the same weight (ruffly) and probably 40-60 more horsepower would lose to an EVO with catback. But hey, I don't know, I haven't even taken mine up to 7k rpms.
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 06:04 PM
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Keep in mind guys that numbers are really more or less meaningles... it's the curves and how they match to the different power RATIOS (torque to weight and hp to effective area drag weight) that matter. If you go on www.car-stats.com and check out the mini cooper (non-s) and the Corvette Z06 you'll see that the cooper actually has a faster 0-60 time. That comes down to how the torque band relates to the weight of the car and how the rpms match the gearing and so forth. 1/4 mile and autocross type things come down to needing a lot of torque... that is what gets you moving... horsepower just keeps you moving and allows you to go faster at already high speeds the oomph of a car is purely the torque. Extended high speeds is where the horspower gets to be really important... like Nascar...
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Old Apr 7, 2003 | 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by sdhotwn
Keep in mind guys that numbers are really more or less meaningles... it's the curves and how they match to the different power RATIOS (torque to weight and hp to effective area drag weight) that matter. If you go on www.car-stats.com and check out the mini cooper (non-s) and the Corvette Z06 you'll see that the cooper actually has a faster 0-60 time. That comes down to how the torque band relates to the weight of the car and how the rpms match the gearing and so forth. 1/4 mile and autocross type things come down to needing a lot of torque... that is what gets you moving... horsepower just keeps you moving and allows you to go faster at already high speeds the oomph of a car is purely the torque. Extended high speeds is where the horspower gets to be really important... like Nascar...
Um the minicooper is no where near the z06 0-60. Even with the site you cited (which has conservative numbers for the vette) The z06 blasts the mini 0-60 beating it by 4.5 seconds! (8.6 vs 4.1). As for the rest of your post im really not sure what you are trying to say?
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