Thanks Kevin for the comments and more importantly for organizing such an awesome event.

Here is the video on Google of the in car stuff at higher quality.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88411459002949

 

Thank you, you are too kind!

 

Nice performance by Dave Heinrich (Silencer) at the AutoX as well! 3rd place in AutoX in an STU setup running close to stock HP levels.

Dave, Jarrod, and Trevor all had even faster raw times but picked up one or more cones. One of these days I hope I can get within .5 of Dave's best raw time. Next chance will probably be at the Milwaukee National Tour.

 

Very interesting............shop cars? My car and Trevor's cars are not shop cars. Trevor has bought and paid for every mod on his car, he just obviously chose the correct upgrade path. My car, I own and drive daily, while I do own the shop it isn't a race car, it is my driver.........I must have chosen the right parts too.

Also, stock boost levels running 12.4's, bull****.

So many excuses, so little time to type them all for some people.

I guess for next year I will have to put an alignment on Trevors car for him and maybe he can get some fresh tires. For my side if we are going to be accused of "shop" car status I will bring the Time Attack car, that should handle good and get well into the 9's..........

Great event.

 

Well I guess since you own the shop (You do own the shop right?) that you don't tell the IRS any of those parts are not for "development work" and you paid full retail for everything right?

Hey I have this good ocean front property for sale in Santa Rosa, New Mexico

RIGHT

As for the 12.4 on stock boost, He could have been on stock boost pressure not flow rate. So he could have been on stock boost pressure with other modifications. (we feel this might be the correct upgrade path)

And you should bring your Time Attack car next year and then it can run with the "shop cars" like it should.

 

Cool pics! Going to have to order me some.

Dave

 

Give credit where credit is due.

Congrat's to Chris Deutsch for 2nd in Class "WWB" Autocross (out of first by .05) and 3rd overall.

Chris, we are going to have to step it up next year from the little 245 tire we were running and stock boost. Hey, how did I end up in WWA again?

Dave

 

You guys did a GREAT job!!! You bought the heat!! You have time to bring it for the next one as well.

 

I am sure everyone is going to step it up for next year........it will be more interesting.

Think I'll turn my boost up from the low setting too, not stock levels but set on low. We'll bring some real rubber too along with some alignment tools so we can make some changes between the time we drag and autocross.

Maybe I'll get someone who actually autocrosses to drive my car too, Trent did a great job but with 3-4 autocrosses in his entire lifetime I am sure a very experienced autocrosser could be quicker.

Maybe I'll add some JDM bling to my car too and some ricer wheels so it does higher than 6th in the show....

So many things to change, Trevor, this time I will pay for your parts since you have a shop car, it may as well be sponsored. You'll have to get some bling-bling though with me so we can both get higher in the show!! Atleast we have a year to get our plan of attack worked out

 

Hmmmm...could someone please tell me where I misplaced my shop...because I sure would like to have one...

I have gladly been buying parts from Buschur Racing for almost five years now. Not only do they have the highest quality and performance they also have top notch business/customer service skills so much so that it has evolved into some very good friendships with Jarrod, David and Trent. They are my racing family! It seems as though taking the initiative to advertise products I love and developing friendships with a great vendor has transformed my car into a "shop car".

Somehow the saying "Bringing a knife to a gun fight." comes to mind. Hopefully, next year I will be packing a 60 caliber hand gun...I just hope I can hold on to it because I bet it is going to have one hell of a kick

Game on...David you've got mail

 

David,

Since your responses seem to be aimed at me, I will respond accordingly.
First off, I'm sorry you dragged Trevor into this. He has a very well sorted car and great driving skills. I was really impressed with his performance and was happy to see him do well. My referral to shop cars (plural) was aimed at shop cars in general, and specifically at your car. Everyone is free to have their own opinion on how to define a "shop car". My definition does not match your definition and must not match the WW organizers definition. That’s OK with me. It is just my opinion. I know your reasons why you feel it should not be considered a shop car. Here are some reasons I feel it should:
- Owned/tuned/driven by the owner of a racing shop
- Probably has more dyno pulls and tuning hours than any other EVO in the country
- Uses a brand new turbo system (have any been installed in customer cars yet?)
- Driven by a hired driver rather than the owner
As a tuner/vendor I feel you should be supporting your customers and helping them do well in the events like this to “bring home the glory”. I would think a tuner/vendor would get his kicks out of seeing his customers do well, rather than by trying to beat his own customers.

You spent enough time looking over my car that I thought you would notice the stock boost lines and solenoid. I don't even have a frickin' boost gauge (except the crappy factory 1.5 bar thing). I would post up my ROM so you can see that the boost tables were not modified, but since I paid good $$ for it, I'll let you go buy it from Jestr Tuning if you're so skeptical.

By the way, I do find it very interesting that you don’t think that a 20G-LT/EvoGreen can go 12.4 on stock boost. Really, I thought you had more confidence in it than that. So, what do you think its limits are at stock boost levels??

Very true. I don't have alot of time. I work 50-60 hours a week and am out of town racing every weekend I have off. I don't have the luxury of trying out new parts on my dyno every day. This goes back to the whole Tuner Shop car vs. Regular Joe car debate.

I'm sure Trevor can handle his own alignments. I have my local Sears Auto or my local Mitsu dealership do mine.

Please do bring the Magnum out. How much dust is on it now? I doubt we'll ever see it at any event that the AMS TA car is at. . . I would love to go up against it in an autocross in the Shop Car class. Then I would get to run my usual autocross tires and show everyone what real grip is rather than running on a brand new set of street tires that I have no experience with.

It may take all of that to win next year. As you said, everyone will be stepping it up a notch. . .

Why don't you drive your own damn car like the rest of us??? Another reason your car is a shop car. Heck, I'll get Mark Daddio to drive mine in the autocross and Curt Brown to drive it in the drags

You would need alot more than that. Actually your car was 8th. Mine was 6th. An AMS built car was 7th. The top 5 were all domestic cars. You car is pretty plain except for the carbon front lip and the shiny bits under the hood. That's awesome for being a sleeper, but not good for a car show. Kinda funny too, that all my JDM bling and ricer wheels as you call them are on my car solely because they are 100% functional. Voltex front bumper, same one used on the Cyber EVO (just a tad faster than any US built TA Evo) creates more useable downforce than the stock bumper. Voltex undertray - creates more DF than the stock undertray. WedsSport 18x10 wheels - find me a lighter and cheaper set of 18x10s and I will buy 2 sets. I guess the judges appreciated being able to fit such a fat tire under the fenders without having to put a widebody kit on it?? How many people run an 18x10 with 285's as a daily driver street setup??

Maybe if you had the same "bling" your 600+hp car would have beat my 300hp car in the autocross??

David, you are a great tuner and build some awesome cars. That's why I came to you a year ago. Unfortunately after spending alot of time and money my car did not meet the goals I had set for it, so I've decided to try a different path. I know from my dealings with you that you probably will take that personally, but I hope not. I'm just doing what I have to do to make my goals become a reality. Although we don't agree on some things, I hold no hard feeling toward you or Buschur Racing. I hope we can have a friendly competition wherever our paths may cross. (Even though we may have some smack talking before and after, it should all be in fun and not taken seriously)

EVOlutionary

 

Good call Jarod and good attitude for the sake of the true winners, the kids.

Dave

 

evolutionary,

My response was not only directed at you, it was in general although you did fit in. Here are my responses (marked by **):

Since your responses seem to be aimed at me, I will respond accordingly.
First off, I'm sorry you dragged Trevor into this. He has a very well sorted car and great driving skills. I was really impressed with his performance and was happy to see him do well. My referral to shop cars (plural) was aimed at shop cars in general, and specifically at your car.

**It seemed as though Trevor was being called a shop car, he obviously thought so too. It's not like anyone ever targets the 10th place people, only the guys that finish towards the top, so Trevor seems to fit.

Everyone is free to have their own opinion on how to define a "shop car".
Here are some reasons I feel it should:

Owned/tuned/driven by the owner of a racing shop

**Yes, I own the car. Yes, I tuned the car. I also tuned your old car, Trevor's car and a 1,000 others, big deal. Every car I tune gets the same attention. The driven part...........as you know I don't drive the car at events like this. (I'll get to that later)

Probably has more dyno pulls and tuning hours than any other EVO in the country

**Thank GOD it has that many dyno pulls on it. You should be grateful. If it didn't the EVO Green would be an unheard of barely used turbo as would another 50 parts that I have spent countless hours on for the benefit of everyone. Do you honestly think the 100's of hours of dyno pulls on my personal car were used to tune it for this one race?! The 100's of hours of dyno pulls that are the car I surely wish were not. I would have prefered to be able to just buy the parts that were developed like you and anyone else can do, put the car on the dyno for 1-2 hours like anyone else's and call it finished. My hours on the dyno benefit customers more than they do me beating the living sh it out of my own car.

Uses a brand new turbo system (have any been installed in customer cars yet?)

**Kind of goes back to the development work I do as part of the business. There are 25 compressor wheels being machined now. Had I not taken countless hours helping test this turbo and get data from it then it may never be available. Just like the EVO Green you are running, someone has to test it first, then you guys get it. If this event had been run in another month then we could see them on customer cars.

Driven by a hired driver rather than the owner

**Hired driver? Hired would mean I paid him. Trent is a friend of mine and our welder at the shop. He has autocrossed maybe 4 times in his entire lifetime. Mark Daddio or Jon K., would be guys worthy of hiring for an autocross competition and since they aren't friends/employees I'd consider them to be hired drivers. I just suck and putting me in the car to compete would be a waste of a 5 hour drive to the track! haha

As a tuner/vendor I feel you should be supporting your customers and helping them do well in the events like this to “bring home the glory”. I would think a tuner/vendor would get his kicks out of seeing his customers do well, rather than by trying to beat his own customers.

**I do support our customers. IF anyone should know that it should be YOU. I spent countless hours trying to make you happy with your old car and MANY of those hours, as you know, I charged nothing for. I wanted nothing more than for you to be happy with your old car and run it and win some major races. I spent time on Trevor's car and did support him. As a matter of fact had it not been for the car show he would have beaten us. I was SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED when we got 1st overall because as I had it figured HE won the event. We were not trying to "beat" our own customers, we were racing and having fun. What is the rule, if any of our customers are at the track we aren't allowed to race there too?

You spent enough time looking over my car that I thought you would notice the stock boost lines and solenoid. I don't even have a frickin' boost gauge (except the crappy factory 1.5 bar thing). I would post up my ROM so you can see that the boost tables were not modified, but since I paid good $$ for it, I'll let you go buy it from Jestr Tuning if you're so skeptical.

**Come on, if you are going to accuse me of that then you know I am smart enough to know the boost can be turned up very high in the reflash and even if they are not with the parts you have they go up anyway. The full exhaust, 02 housing and Green with an adjustable actuator. If you are seriously trying to convince us all that your car has 19 psi up to 4500 rpm and then falls to 16 psi from there.............you must thing we are fools.

By the way, I do find it very interesting that you don’t think that a 20G-LT/EvoGreen can go 12.4 on stock boost. Really, I thought you had more confidence in it than that. So, what do you think its limits are at stock boost levels??

**On pump gas I think 12.4 is pushing it and claiming to do it with 19 psi peak fallilng to 16 psi...............

Very true. I don't have alot of time. I work 50-60 hours a week and am out of town racing every weekend I have off. I don't have the luxury of trying out new parts on my dyno every day. This goes back to the whole Tuner Shop car vs. Regular Joe car debate.

**There are two opinions on your idea of trying things out on the dyno everyday...........try to look at mine and the benefits it has provided to you and everyone else with an EVO.

I'm sure Trevor can handle his own alignments. I have my local Sears Auto or my local Mitsu dealership do mine.

**I don't think that he can although I may be mistaken. Someone else could though. Point is his car nor mine was set up to try and autocross with. 1.5 degrees neg in the front with 1/16" toe in, rear 0 toe and 0 camber. Hardly an autocross alignment, as you know.

Please do bring the Magnum out. How much dust is on it now? I doubt we'll ever see it at any event that the AMS TA car is at. . . I would love to go up against it in an autocross in the Shop Car class. Then I would get to run my usual autocross tires and show everyone what real grip is rather than running on a brand new set of street tires that I have no experience with.

**Would love to do that. Why would you not see it at an event AMS is at? That must be a jab of some sort......We've competed at 2 events with them. Am I going to haul the car all over the country to run it, hell no, I don't have the time, ambition or desire. BTW, it's pretty dusty, when you get time stop out and wash it for me, you seem to be good at that after seeing your show placement

Why don't you drive your own damn car like the rest of us??? Another reason your car is a shop car. Heck, I'll get Mark Daddio to drive mine in the autocross and Curt Brown to drive it in the drags

**Why? Because I SUCK. Some guys can drive, I seem to have become handicapped over the last few years, so I don't bother. I can tune, I can build, I can weld, I can test blah blah blah. My shortcoming is driving. Since you are bringing up AMS and their drivers constantly, remember last year when AMS entered their Time Attack car in the same class as we all ran in this year, they had Jon K., in it driving. Why is it you weren't being such a cry baby then?

You would need alot more than that. Actually your car was 8th. Mine was 6th. An AMS built car was 7th. The top 5 were all domestic cars. You car is pretty plain except for the carbon front lip and the shiny bits under the hood. That's awesome for being a sleeper, but not good for a car show. Kinda funny too, that all my JDM bling and ricer wheels as you call them are on my car solely because they are 100% functional. Voltex front bumper, same one used on the Cyber EVO (just a tad faster than any US built TA Evo) creates more useable downforce than the stock bumper. Voltex undertray - creates more DF than the stock undertray. WedsSport 18x10 wheels - find me a lighter and cheaper set of 18x10s and I will buy 2 sets. I guess the judges appreciated being able to fit such a fat tire under the fenders without having to put a widebody kit on it?? How many people run an 18x10 with 285's as a daily driver street setup??

**Dude, seriously. The judges were 3 girls who I doubt knew anything at all about cars. I gaurantee you they have no idea what tire fits under an EVO, how to make one fit or anything about a wide body kit. The hot trophy girl is the one that judged your car from what I saw. Do you really think the car show judges chose the cars based on anything other than what shined or stood out? The number one car in the show was a new Z06, that should tell you something. Not everything on your car was chosen for function. An intercooler is suppose to COOL, you chose yours for weight only....that's what you told me anyway. Choosing an intercooler because it is light is like choosing a condom because it is black. Don't flatter yourself into thinking your placing was good in the show for anything other than "bling". It was no judged by car guys, it was judged by three women who either volunteered or were asked to do the job.

Maybe if you had the same "bling" your 600+hp car would have beat my 300hp car in the autocross??

**Actually, if someone with some autocross experience would have driven my car I am fairly certain that the .6 tenths of a second you beat Trent by would have never happened. You have spent your "lifetime" autocrossing, that is your passion and you set out to build the "ultimate autocross" car, you even started your own thread about doing it. Trent has autocrossed, as I said, 3-4 times in his lifetime and never in my car before. Don't pat yourself on the back too much for the .6 you beat an unexperienced driver by in a car he never drove before. Don't get me wrong either, Trent did a great job. YOU DID A GREAT JOB TOO and you can drive for sure. I am not taking anyting away from you. You just seem to be dead set on making my car, me and Trent look like dumb asses and it isn't working out very well for me.

David, you are a great tuner and build some awesome cars. That's why I came to you a year ago. Unfortunately after spending alot of time and money my car did not meet the goals I had set for it, so I've decided to try a different path. I know from my dealings with you that you probably will take that personally, but I hope not.

**Actually, normally I would be pissed. You can ask Trevor, Jarrod and Trent what I said about you and your new project if you like. Actually I will tell you now. I told them that it SUCKED that you chose to go with the parts that you did. I also said that I guess I can't blame you that you did as I never made your old car what you wanted it to be and you spent quite a bit of money with us and I spent a lot of time trying. I also said that obviously something else was wrong with the old car that wouldn't allow the power level you were looking for. Whether it was the head, engine or what, I don't know and we never will since you gave up on it. I can say with 100% confidence though, had you brought the old car you would have placed higher in the drags and autocross. So we are clear, I am not pissed at you. I am disapointed though that you didn't chose us to help with the new build but understand your decisions. I do feel the car will never be as good as it could have been with the parts you have chosen though.

 

Evolutionary,
I can assure you David does help his customers. He helped me out with a few things at the Winged Warrior..like gapping my new plugs at the last minute (while everyone was staging for the autox) while I took the old ones out. I also watched him help out everyone at Norwalk during a track rental with their tunes, etc. in between runs.
Davids car just happened to have the best "A" group car there that day. It's not like he couldn't have been beaten. Place higher than him in two of the events and you'd win. I'm sure next year will be even more fun and competitive. Especially if they make it a two day event with a day at the road course like they're talking about.

 

Thanks broeli, I appreciate the support.

If they add in a road course next year I would not compete with my RS, speeds are too high, risks are too high to mess up the car.

Any of you guys that don't want me to compete again with my "shop" car just get with Kevin and tell him to add the road course...............

I'm pissed off when I get a chip in the car, no way would I risk seeing it wrecked on the road course.

If the road course happens guess we'll bring the Magnum.