purpose built "time attack" cool. drag decent. for the money, too much. for HKS not too much. good looking car? yes. would you drive it if it was given to you? would you build it if you could and supported HKS? many diffrent people have their brand loyalty. some are willing to spend on what they want. after all its their overall goal and dream of what they want. are there parts cheaper. sure.are there cars faster sure. but HKS is a huge company in the tuning scene. and they have some off the fastest cars around. from drag to drift to time attack. and in some way or form some off the guys on here have used parts made by or copied from HKS. so take the article for what its worth. entertainment and mainstream info showcasing a companies parts on a popular car in the tuning world.
just my 2cents

 

I think you guys who are saying it is a time attack car are missing the point.

I have the magazine stting in front of me, so lets really look at it:

The Basics:
450hp should equate to MUCH better times than what they posted because:

The transmission is the stock, with exception of a cluch and LSD
Transfer case is stock
Driveline is stock
Rear axle gearing is stock, but has an LSD according to the magazine.

So, with that said, no real differences between my 05 other than clutch.
But, it is an RS, where mine is a GSR, so I will give about 200lbs being nice.

With that being said, the only things different are the suspension (HKS Hipermax Pro), probably anti roll bars (Kansi's added), wheels (Volks) etc, **** like that. So with the gearing in the car being the same as any old EVO, 450 HP should yield results much better than that. A 450hp motor is a 450hp motor, and the only things that could be possibly different are what is between the motor output and the wheels. (Items connecting the engine to the wheels.)

So, if you are advocating "its a time attack car, and set-up that way", then what is your REAL FACTUAL justification as to why it only ran a high eleven second 1/4? You really don't have any because all of the factors (gearing/driveline) that could change the outcome of what "450 hp" in an EVO can do are just not there.

All of you guys that are saying it is a time attack car don't seem to have any other real justification of it's pretty bad 1/4 mile time other than by saying "its a time attack car". What parts does this car have that would keep it from running a better time in a drag?

Lets go further and look at it:

1. Wheels? Maybe, but with 265's on all fours, it should do pretty good in the drags or time attack. But, if it is a "time attack car", I am sure HKS would have been smart enough to put lightweight wheels on it because you wouldn't want heavy wheels on a "time attack car". And they did, 18X9 Volk Racing TE-37's in like whoa Limited Edition Titanium Silver. I can't see this as causing any real negligable affect on the "expected" 1/4 mile time.

2. HKS Hipermax Pro coilovers. OK, the car might have had them set as stiff as my **** after seeing Vida Gurrera, but with 4 twists of 4 small knobs, the car can be dampened to be better suited to a drag set-up. But, once again, I can't see this as causing any real negligable affect on the "expected" 1/4 mile time.

3. LSD additions. We all know this would only make it better, but with no gearing changes, this is only going to make a better 1/4 time.

4. Brakes. So they added 13.6 x 1.2 vented rotors with Endless 6-pistons up front, and 13 x 1.2 vented's with a 4-piston caliper. Well, if the brakes are heavier than the stockers, or have a higher moment of inertia (Substantial amount), then once again, I can't see this as causing any real negligable affect on the "expected" 1/4 mile time.

All other modifications on the car were to the motor, aside from stoopid stuff like gages, CF hood and trunk, a rear wing, seats etc...

So, all of these modifications to the car sound a lot like some of the members cars on here that are all about the drags. So, what's the difference(s) here?

Damn, once I get my fully built head on my car, along with my new injectors, I will have enough in my car to equal their 1/4 times, and do it with probably 50hp less too.

As far as I can see, HKS just proved to me, provided that article portrayed 100% FACTUAL BEST POSSIBLE DATA (RUNS), that I don't need HKS parts to make my car fast. All I got from that article was that I will just stick to all of the other manufacturers out there that would use HKS parts to wipe dingleberries off their ***. (AMS, Burshur, GSC etc...)

450hp and a 11.81 second 1/4 mile time? Come on people, that's terrible, weather it's a "time attack car" or not. There is no good justification for that.


(Disclaimer: Funny how if I learned that the trap was 120+, I would change a lot of my views on HKS (More specifically, this car) Then it would only mean a ****ty driver (Bad launch))

 

lots of good points and as always numbers dont lie, but like i said above your post take it for what its worth entertainment at best. and i fully agree with alot of your points. hp is hp. the car isnt very impressive down the strip, but seeing the car run the track it looks and sounds quite the opposite.

 

That article is from a Motor Trend magazine from 2003 and not Car And Driver which had the Super Four Challenge in 2005 that included the HKS Evo 8 RS that has close to $60K in mods which has a GT3037S turbo running 21psi and 2.3L stroker engine making 481whp. With only 21psi of boost and producing 481whp is highly doubtful with it's turbo set up, it should be more. This is the same car in Modified magazine, but with more exterior mods like the hood, trunk and body kit.

I am sure the reason why it did not achieve a lower time than 11.8 in the quarter mile is because of the low boost. Like the person I just quoted said, the reason why it's slow is because of the low boost the car ran. It is not good marketing and publicity for a tuning company to blow up their car during a magazine competition. In the end HKS won the Super Four Challenge in 2005.

It's safe to assume that HKS ran high boost just to get a high horsepower number, but throughout the whole performance test that included 0mph to 60mph, 1/4 mile, time attack/roadcourse, and 140mph to 0mph braking, the car only ran 21psi so it will not blow up. So all and all the Super Four Challenge was not SOLELY a DRAG RACE, but a test on overall performance. It is not a drag race period.

Like what someone else said before me, during roadcourse conditions and heavy performance testing you will need a conservative tune so that you will actually finish. Blowing up just makes you lose, just like the Passalacqua Evo 8 in Sport Compact Car USCC in issue 11/22/05. It could of won, but it's engine blew up on the ROADCOURSE. This competition is about overall performance not ONLY DRAG RACING.

The HKS Evo in Car And Driver/Modified during the Super Four Challenge produced a 0-60mph time in 3.3 seconds and quarter mile in 11.8 seconds. The issue is November 2005 of Car And Driver. The Super Four Challenge also had a Buschur Evo 8 RS.

The HKS 2003 Evo 8 in Motor Trend only had a 2.0L engine with a GT2835 turbo that is only running 17.4psi of boost, which is less than stock. This car had all the basic bolt-ons, but no cams. With that set up it gain nearly 50whp over a 2003 Evo 8.

 

this whole thread is stupid. the car wasn't built to drag race. HKS is not a drag racing company. the suspension mods, and body parts alone took up a big chunk of that 20k budget. not to mention the wheels, braking system, and interior parts. another thing you're forgetting is that the car wasn't built for drag racing, which means the engine probably isn't tuned for drag racing either. it's probably built to make it's power down low to mid range....where you need it on a road course. like i said, this whole thread is dumb. trying to down a car for performing badly in something it was never meant to do in the first place. personally i wouldn't give a **** if my car was slow in the 1/4 mile as long as i trounced everybody on the road course. 1/4 mile is extremely overrated as an indication of a car's performance capabilities. 1/4 mile and 0-60 don't mean ****.

 

$20000 waste of money just buy a better car...

 

I thought that this was excessive.. But to each is own I guess. IF he's happy, that's what counts.

 

wowzers, somebody posted bushurs times, and even they, ran high 11's. Bushur, who i support 100% ran 11's during this shootout, we all know what his camp can put out when it comes to drag cars. But there is a major difference when it come to time attack. No matter what I or anyone else say, your gonna have an opinion. but dont be biased.

 

lmfao is it just me or did he say "this car isnt built for drag racing twice''

 

^ yeah, good find!

 

^ that was sarcastic

 

+1000

 

hks has never been all out power performer. when they wanna smash something they'll build a custom car.

roadrace's american touge blow up fwas from a misshift into 1st or something like that. their uscc (red evo) that blew up did not from motor failure but from oiling failure that resulted in a motor failure.

hks doesn't need to prove **** to anyone as long as there are people that want perfect fitment and a big name badge that for some reason gets respect.

a 21psi car will not make 480 on pump gas from the hks kit or any other kit for that matter. gt35rs don't make that much on pump. let's be real people. tehy put it at pump gas psi, let's not be naive.

hks DOES build drag race cars. one of the first upsets that hks created in america was their super fast silvia drag car that made like 1000hp or some crap like that. there have also been 1000hp skyline dragsters from hks. in the end i stick to my guns. the products they throw on a car are not outright power mods, they're fit finish and bling mods. if they wanna smash something they'll build a custom car.

 

lmao i thought it was funny.

 

Enough with the excuses folks. With so many years of specific experience under their belt, if HKS needs to run lower than factory boost to safely showcase this heavily modified EVO, then they should be embarrased!!!

I wonder how many of you would be so understanding, if this was some small-budget American tuner...