I seen this a few days ago and looked on his web site. No new imfo yet. It does seem like a good alternetive if dosnt come out with a chip by the end of the year. He said it wont be detected by the service department and will have excellent driveablity. Does anyone know of this guy and how long he has been in the tuning business? Also if I were to go with this option, I of course would wait it out several months and let others be the ginny pigs. But for $450 , it seems to look very attractive.

Maybe you can just point me over to this thread,, cant find it doing a search. There is some really good imfo in there.

Thanks

 

David@Works is the company's marketing guru ... you should go to the vendor forum and direct these questions to him or somebody affiliated with Works. An ECU reflash is definitely an attractive option for people that do not want to mess around with tuning their own car ... and would rather have something pre-set, supposedly safe, and be done with it. However, on the downside, you will have to send your ECU to the company which means your car may be down from 1-3 or so days, and it may require a "reburn" or another reflash whenever you add a new mod ... so if you are considering this option, may I suggest for you to try and add all of your mods (or as many as you can) before sending your ECU off for a reflash. David also told me that the Works reflash "may or may not" work with performance parts OTHER than Works performance parts ... but simple mods such as exhaust or intake shouldn't matter -- shouldn't David@Works be answering this Where are you David? Lastly, I have to tell you that OTHER COMPANIES are also working on reflash programs. For example, RMR should have one available VERY SOON!

 

Cool , thanks....... I think i would be set with what i have now. I want to keep my car stock for warrenty work that might happen in the future. I think he was guessing at a 50hp increase?

Ill just wait and see.

 

Yeah, where are they? From what I've heard, they're working on something even a little cooler than just a standard reflash. Surely either they or Real Engineering could comment more???

Digging for info as usual...

Thomas Dorris

 

If you think you are going to get 50 HP from a simple re-flash on an otherwise stock car you will most certainly be sorely dissapointed. No one has even hinted at the capability to add this much performance (over 18%) to a stock EVO from ECU mods alone and still retain any semblence of reliability and durability. Every reputable tuner I have engaged vehemently argues against this possibility.

The required boost pressure increases and A/F ratio enleanment would cause the motor to grenade prior to realizing a gain of this magnitude.

You are talking about the Holy Grail of performance modifications here. If you find it let us know and I think almost every member of this formum who owns an EVO will want one.

I would be most interested in reviewing any quantifiable data, pertaining to the US EVO, that supports any claims to delivering this much performance from a stock platform.

 

Very smart in my opinion. As much as I would love to at least lean out my A/F mix right now .... it just seems premature to jump into what is out right now. There are many companies working to address the evo ECU situation .... in a few months we should really see a nice selection ... at least I hope. In the meantime, I'll set my boost controller between 18-20psi and enjoy the ride! But MAN an HKS S-AFR or APEXi S-AFC II sounds tempting!

 

True very true jfh ... well said. Silverevo don't forget that most of us everyday drivers want an agressive BUT SAFE program as well. Usually, the most agressive chip/reflash/piggyback upgrade makes the car run very lean ... and lean = scary! The best and safest bet, in my opinion of course, is to add as much power with bolt ons, and then add on a little more agressive ECU program. THAT is where the 50hp increase would come in ... BUT NOT an ECU reflash upgrade BY ITSELF. Just like always ... it's the SUM of the individual parts that make the whole. NUFF said.

 

Yea the last I heard (which was last Friday 05/30), Blair (RMR) claimed that their ECU reflash program was in the FINAL TESTING STAGES on it would be available to order within 1-2 weeks from then. Blair also said that they were trying to figure out what to sell it for. I said for under $300 PLEASE!

 

I'll second that under $300 PLEASE !

 

ECU tuning potential depends a lot on how efficient the stock maps are to begin with. We know that on its own the stand-alone SAFC piggy back can net 20+ whp. A tuned ECU goes beyond simple fuel tuning and dynamically maps boost/timing and fuel delivery.

We should start a pool to see who gets the closest regarding works/rmr's ECU tuning hp/tq numbers.

My guess is that the ECU tuning alone will net 26-30whp depending on the availability of 93 octane specific tuning maps, and how agressive(or cautious!) tuners decide to be.

Add another 8-10whp for axle-back/cat-back, or 20whp for a full turbo-back w/race cat or test pipe and you are on the doorstep of 50whp.

Some references of what's possible with just ECU tuning alone:
VW 1.8T (awp code) ECU tuning only = 23+whp
Audi S4 ECU tuning only = 30+whp

For some the constant need to "tune" and adjust their cars is a critical factor. For the rest, the ECU flash option especially when combined with a few other select bolt-on mods will be an awesome option!

 

Hello guys,

The dyno # from Works ECU reflash will be out probably by tomorrow at the earliest,otherwise , within the next few days and i will be one of the 1st

So , Hang tight, and let the fun begins

Wilson

 

Wilson, are you doing the ECU flash alone, or with other mods ? I will be following shortly and will, like many others, be extremely interested in your feedback! Keep us posted!!

 

N10S, you are little off on your chip numbers. While there are some small gains in the VW cars using the K03 turbo, on the Audi TT 225 hp quattro, the APR chip takes the power from 225 hp to 264. I don't know if I totally believe the claim, but the car drives totally different. I can kill a stock car. So as long as you are talking WHP it's all good.

 

Just a note on the above numbers, they are WHP. Also, to get the above gains, the boost pressures were increased (controlled by ECU). The gains above were not done by fuel/timing map changes alone. In fact, the latest Garret chip went as far as rewriting the entire boost controller logic. That chip came out last month and even more power was extracted...

 

RE: The Works ECu... I will never go with any vendor that requires you to use only their parts in order to buy their ECU flashing services. The "we have only tuned for our exhaust/intake/etc..." excuse is BS. It will cost them business, though the people they rope into their exclusive club likely will make it profitable.