DynoJet vs. DynoDynamics
Alright dude, not all Evo's put down 220 whp stock; and whoever told you that is confused.
The entire point here is that on a Dyno Jet a stock evo will put down 260 whp and will make 330 whp with the stage 1 mods, that equals 70 whp; now on your stupid F'in DynoDynamics a stock Evo will make 220 stock and should put down 290 whp (even MD's make 300 whp with those mods). WHICH EQUALS A 70 WHP GAIN EITHER WAY!!! THAT's the point!
Nobody wanted to write out the whole scenario for you so you would understand, because it is a huge inconvenience; BUT THERE YA GO.
And your stupid DynoDynamics isn't a more accurate dyno, because it doesn't make sense for a car to make under 300 whp and run high 11's in the 1/4. So THAT is why people use DynoJet numbers more often; because it makes a lot more sense that a car runs a high 11 with 330 whp...
The entire point here is that on a Dyno Jet a stock evo will put down 260 whp and will make 330 whp with the stage 1 mods, that equals 70 whp; now on your stupid F'in DynoDynamics a stock Evo will make 220 stock and should put down 290 whp (even MD's make 300 whp with those mods). WHICH EQUALS A 70 WHP GAIN EITHER WAY!!! THAT's the point!
Nobody wanted to write out the whole scenario for you so you would understand, because it is a huge inconvenience; BUT THERE YA GO.
And your stupid DynoDynamics isn't a more accurate dyno, because it doesn't make sense for a car to make under 300 whp and run high 11's in the 1/4. So THAT is why people use DynoJet numbers more often; because it makes a lot more sense that a car runs a high 11 with 330 whp...
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Alright dude, not all Evo's put down 220 whp stock; and whoever told you that is confused.
The entire point here is that on a Dyno Jet a stock evo will put down 260 whp and will make 330 whp with the stage 1 mods, that equals 70 whp; now on your stupid F'in DynoDynamics a stock Evo will make 220 stock and should put down 290 whp (even MD's make 300 whp with those mods). WHICH EQUALS A 70 WHP GAIN EITHER WAY!!! THAT's the point!
Nobody wanted to write out the whole scenario for you so you would understand, because it is a huge inconvenience; BUT THERE YA GO.
The entire point here is that on a Dyno Jet a stock evo will put down 260 whp and will make 330 whp with the stage 1 mods, that equals 70 whp; now on your stupid F'in DynoDynamics a stock Evo will make 220 stock and should put down 290 whp (even MD's make 300 whp with those mods). WHICH EQUALS A 70 WHP GAIN EITHER WAY!!! THAT's the point!
Nobody wanted to write out the whole scenario for you so you would understand, because it is a huge inconvenience; BUT THERE YA GO.
Last edited by Rich EVO MR SE; Mar 22, 2007 at 03:32 PM.
It should be very clear by now that a dyno is just a tool to assess gains for purposes of tuning. There is no absolute number as to how much power a car is making, but what can be assessed is gains from prior-to-modded state to post-mods. (in order to assess gains)
I do have a question though! As a car manufacturer (ie Audi, Mitsubishi, Subaru etc..), cars are released from these companies with given hp/tq values. I'm assuming these numbers come from the crank.
Is there a standard dyno that auto manufacturers have to use in order to release hp/tq numbers? How does the auto industry standardize their values? Or don't they?
I do have a question though! As a car manufacturer (ie Audi, Mitsubishi, Subaru etc..), cars are released from these companies with given hp/tq values. I'm assuming these numbers come from the crank.
Is there a standard dyno that auto manufacturers have to use in order to release hp/tq numbers? How does the auto industry standardize their values? Or don't they?
Dyno Dynamics is a fully load bearing Dyno, it has small, relativly lightweight rollers & uses braking force from an electronically controlled brake to control load. the dyno operater can vary that load via Speed or Acceleration rate based on what values & modes the operator enters in the controller. the load created by the brakes slowing the roller is then read by a load cell/pressure transducer that outputs a voltage signal based on pressure applied
this load cell is so sensitive that when our local rep was setting up the dyno he put the dyno in a diagnostic mode that allowed us to see the load cells output value in real time & it was it was able to clearly register a heatbeat by placing your finger on the load cell
dynojet & other inertia style dynos typically use very large & heavy drums & speed sensors to see how fast you accelerated that drum from a standstill & then does some calculations & based off of how fast you spun that drum & a some other variables it gives a HP figure. while repeatable & usable for WOT tuning , you are really measuring your ability to overcome the centrifigal force required to get that heavy roller moving. on top of that once it is up to speed you are unable to create any load
from what ive heard recently the inertia style dyno manufacturers have started making some hybrid models that have brakes or load cells incorporated, but they are still using a large drum & inertia or centrifigal force to create the primary load
this load cell is so sensitive that when our local rep was setting up the dyno he put the dyno in a diagnostic mode that allowed us to see the load cells output value in real time & it was it was able to clearly register a heatbeat by placing your finger on the load cell
dynojet & other inertia style dynos typically use very large & heavy drums & speed sensors to see how fast you accelerated that drum from a standstill & then does some calculations & based off of how fast you spun that drum & a some other variables it gives a HP figure. while repeatable & usable for WOT tuning , you are really measuring your ability to overcome the centrifigal force required to get that heavy roller moving. on top of that once it is up to speed you are unable to create any load
from what ive heard recently the inertia style dyno manufacturers have started making some hybrid models that have brakes or load cells incorporated, but they are still using a large drum & inertia or centrifigal force to create the primary load
[QUOTE=Rich EVO MR SE;4117412]I'm trying to make 320whp. I'm seriously thinking about buying the Buschur package. 320whp with basic mods is incredible. But I might get tuned on a DynoDynamics so I want to know what to expect on THAT Dyno. I see that you claim 320whp w/ TBE, MBC, and a Flash on DynoJet. From searching around this site it seems that the DynoDynamics whp#'s are gonna be around 270whp w/ the same mods. This is why I'm asking for your opinions. DynoDynamics whp #'s seems more realistic over the stock Evo IX 220whp.[/QUOTE
dude last thing u want is to think ur car will dyno 220whp stock on a MD or DD dyno..remeber every car is unique... stop going behind numbers that other ppl say.. get ur car on a dyno do a stock run & get ur mods & a tune n do another run.. den ull see how much u gain form the mods & tune... a IX wit the basic mods should do low 12 or hight 11...so stop worring about dyno numbers take it to da track..(with basic mods) if u do low 12 s or high 11 u know u have a fast car.. at da end thats wot matters..
dude last thing u want is to think ur car will dyno 220whp stock on a MD or DD dyno..remeber every car is unique... stop going behind numbers that other ppl say.. get ur car on a dyno do a stock run & get ur mods & a tune n do another run.. den ull see how much u gain form the mods & tune... a IX wit the basic mods should do low 12 or hight 11...so stop worring about dyno numbers take it to da track..(with basic mods) if u do low 12 s or high 11 u know u have a fast car.. at da end thats wot matters..
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Yeah I agree. I just wanted opinions. I don't care about #'s. I just wanted to know which Dyno is more realistic cause the whp #'s are all over the place on this forum. I just want to know what to expect from DynoDynamics vs. DynoJet and you guys have given me some great input. It's seems pretty clear that DynoJet reads much higher than DynoDynamics if I were to do 3 runs or get tuned. 
Last edited by Rich EVO MR SE; Mar 22, 2007 at 05:13 PM.
well i dont know wich dyno is reads right, but i bealive that dyno, what the Mitshubishi using is the most accurate ones.The factory evo IX puts down according to the factory:
"The 2.0 L 4G63 engine now gets MIVEC technology (variable valve timing), boosting official power output to 286 hp (213 kW) and torque to 289 ft·lbf (392 N·m). The Evolution VIII first offered in 2003 would produce dynamometer readings of approximately 225 WHP and 225 ft·lbf. WTQ with a flywheel power rating of 271/273 respectively. The Evolution IX typically pulls 255 WHP and 250 WTQ on a dynamometer, a difference of 30 horsepower."
And most likely they have a most accurate ones .Simply, they have more money and resource behind them vs individual tuner shop. I think nobody argues with that one.
"The 2.0 L 4G63 engine now gets MIVEC technology (variable valve timing), boosting official power output to 286 hp (213 kW) and torque to 289 ft·lbf (392 N·m). The Evolution VIII first offered in 2003 would produce dynamometer readings of approximately 225 WHP and 225 ft·lbf. WTQ with a flywheel power rating of 271/273 respectively. The Evolution IX typically pulls 255 WHP and 250 WTQ on a dynamometer, a difference of 30 horsepower."
And most likely they have a most accurate ones .Simply, they have more money and resource behind them vs individual tuner shop. I think nobody argues with that one.
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well i dont know wich dyno is reads right, but i bealive that dyno, what the Mitshubishi using is the most accurate ones.The factory evo IX puts down according to the factory:
"The 2.0 L 4G63 engine now gets MIVEC technology (variable valve timing), boosting official power output to 286 hp (213 kW) and torque to 289 ft·lbf (392 N·m). The Evolution VIII first offered in 2003 would produce dynamometer readings of approximately 225 WHP and 225 ft·lbf. WTQ with a flywheel power rating of 271/273 respectively. The Evolution IX typically pulls 255 WHP and 250 WTQ on a dynamometer, a difference of 30 horsepower."
And most likely they have a most accurate ones .Simply, they have more money and resource behind them vs individual tuner shop. I think nobody argues with that one.
"The 2.0 L 4G63 engine now gets MIVEC technology (variable valve timing), boosting official power output to 286 hp (213 kW) and torque to 289 ft·lbf (392 N·m). The Evolution VIII first offered in 2003 would produce dynamometer readings of approximately 225 WHP and 225 ft·lbf. WTQ with a flywheel power rating of 271/273 respectively. The Evolution IX typically pulls 255 WHP and 250 WTQ on a dynamometer, a difference of 30 horsepower."
And most likely they have a most accurate ones .Simply, they have more money and resource behind them vs individual tuner shop. I think nobody argues with that one.
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I also want to say that some of you on this forum are ignorant as all hell. Most people on here don't know jack about jack and some are just plain ignorant. If I buy a Stage 1 setup and it promises 320whp then I'd expect 320whp. Most people don't understand that the stock Evo IX puts down 220whp. So when you see 320whp you're like, whoa, 100whp over stock for $1200 !? At least this was my initial reaction until I did some research on the two Dyno's (DynoDynamics vs. DynoJet). In reality you get about 50whp from these stage 1 packages, so that's 270whp. So everyone stating 320whp with TBE, MBC, and a Flash, are really putting down about 270whp. If you don't believe me get on a Mitsubishi Dyno, or the equivalent which is DynoDynamics.
Last edited by Rich EVO MR SE; Mar 22, 2007 at 07:19 PM.
Thank You! So Dyno Dynamics is spot on, this is all I was asking. 220-225whp is exactly what I thought a stock evo puts down. Basically if I want to know what kind've power my car is putting down, I should do it on DynoDynamics. DynoDynamics is spot on with the Dyno Mitsubishi uses, case closed.
Not the 2006... According to Mitsubishi as stated the IX puts down 255whp...which looks like a dynojet figure... READ MORE CAREFULLY...
you are hopeless bro...
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