I'm sorry you don't see the point. Also, I don't need anything explained to me 5 times. You see, he made a bold statement ("I disagree, countless tuners and customers have seen consistent dyno gains") and I asked him to validate it. What's so puzzling or wrong about that?


Asking someone to back a claim with information is not attacking them by the way.

 

I have a Logic Performance LICP. Maybe noticed spool a couple RPM sooner thats about it. Than agian my *** dyno has not been recalibrated in years

 

you apparently aren't familiar with the vocabulary you used. unequivocal means that the thing being described cannot be interpretted in any other way than the way it was meant to be interpretted.

in this case what you said was, i want to see 5 undisputable results of licps making power before i believe licps make power. why would you need 5 if the first was UNDISPUTABLE???

hence there's no point trying to explain something to someone like you becuase firstly... there's no such thing as undisputable... and secondly if there were you'd find a way to dispute it.

 

347whp on the stock piping

 

it's a restriction. Sure you can make power without it, but you can make more with it. This thread is gay.

 

How can you claim its a restriction when the turbo outlet pipe is the same diameter? Its not like its a bottleneck.

 

stock licp has more bends & is longer. That is a restriction ANY way you look at it.

If it was ok that it was the same size as the turbo outlet pipe then the stock licp, ic inlet, ic outlet & uicp would all be less than 1.5" in diameter. Why not throw the throttle body in there as well because it wouldn't be a restriction because the size of the turbo outlet pipe is only 1.5".

Seriously its like comparing a big McDonalds straw to a crazy straw. What is going to allow you to work the milkshake quicker?

The real question is... how can you claim that it is not a restriction?

Nobody claimed that it was a brick wall type restriction... but it is a restriction. Nobody claimed that it is a miracle mod... it is a very minor mod that might only provide very minor increase at all. It definitely makes the turbo spool quicker & I would imagine that there is some power gain. Isn't that enough?

 

Well this isn't my thread so I'm gonna step out. I'll go along with it being 1.5" longer and maybe has more bends.

Personally I think its worth keeping the stock one and I'll believe that until I see a dyno that can actually show gains. A dyno from other than some flipping vendor that s trying to sell me a $200 "U" shaped pipe and claim the cost is justified because of R&D. The LICP design hasn't changed much since the DSM.

 

I see the point you're making, but that logic would also mean all the Stage 1 Evos out there wouldn't have seen any gains when they upgraded to a full 3" turboback exhaust, because they still have the smaller diameter stock O2 housing that precedes it...

 

Didn't notice too much after my buschur licp. A little quicker spool and a little stronger top end.

 

I have recently installed AMS LICP and Greddy Upper Pipe and right after the installation I felt quicker (250-300 rpm) spool-up of the turbo and more direct feel of throttle response. I have no proof of it on the dyno but on the but-dyno there is definitely a difference without any ECU tuning. The boost levels are as before: 1,45 bars top and goes back to 1,2 bars. The only negative thing about it would be that the kicking in and out of turbo is felt more in city traffic where you go constantly between 2000rpm and 3500 rpm. At the end of the day I am very happy with this mod. (Pics of only Greddy UICP)

 

anyone that makes big power does not use the stock puney baby turbo
and you cant use the stock licp with after market larger turbos

 

missouri is known as the "show me state"
let me expound:
this thread is worthless without showing me a dyno chart.

 

I too, would like to see a Dyno of the stock LICP vs. an after market LICP on a stock 16G turbo at 20 to 23 lbs of boost. "As proof of the gains"
I was always under the impression that the narrowing of the Stock LICP was designed to increase air speed before entering the FMIC.

Think of it like blowing threw a regular drinking straw vs. a bigger fast food drinking straw. Yes, the bigger drinking straw flows air easier but, the regular drinking straw helps build more speed and pressure from the same amount of breath do to its smaller diameter.

Look at the placement,
Stock Evo IX Lower IC Pipe...
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2847...29046835QndKEx

 

has anyone ran a better time in the 1/4 from doing a LICP?