Chalk it up on the board full of these. Another statistic I guess.
To the OP...
Sorry about your LY, I guess mine is that much rarer now (sorry could not resist). So after reading the first three pages of the post and looking at the pics of the car.... That car was sitting very low, was it on coilovers or springs?
Reason I ask is that to me (taking your word for what was going on at the time) it does not sound like the rear should have stepped out in the first place. If you were sitting on lowering springs you could have had a blown shock that promoted the rapid initial overstear as weight was being transfered to the rear under acceleration.
Was the wheel straight when you rolled into the gas or turned a little (at corner exit). Was there any tireshine crap on the tires? Also, when was the last time you checked the tire pressure before that night?
I agree with what other folks are saying about doing the wrong thing trying to recover the car, but again it sound to me like there were other factors involved if you really were going the speed you reported.
Sorry about your LY, I guess mine is that much rarer now (sorry could not resist). So after reading the first three pages of the post and looking at the pics of the car.... That car was sitting very low, was it on coilovers or springs?
Reason I ask is that to me (taking your word for what was going on at the time) it does not sound like the rear should have stepped out in the first place. If you were sitting on lowering springs you could have had a blown shock that promoted the rapid initial overstear as weight was being transfered to the rear under acceleration.
Was the wheel straight when you rolled into the gas or turned a little (at corner exit). Was there any tireshine crap on the tires? Also, when was the last time you checked the tire pressure before that night?
I agree with what other folks are saying about doing the wrong thing trying to recover the car, but again it sound to me like there were other factors involved if you really were going the speed you reported.
Last edited by Mad_SB; Jun 13, 2007 at 03:18 PM.
O EXCUSE ME! Ms. School teacher Nancy for the slang computer grammar and my GTS drives great thank u for asking and by the way an EVO is still a lancer. And I dont need A german road to drive fast we have are own roads here in the good old US of A. I didnt see a car listed in ur Avatar so I just assumed u were ashamed of it(1982 Ford escort still LMAO
). This board was for helping out the guy that wreck his EVO not to trash him and say "I only wrecked once and it wasnt even my fault" and "If u wreck ur a bad driver" that is why they call it an ACCIDENT. 
). This board was for helping out the guy that wreck his EVO not to trash him and say "I only wrecked once and it wasnt even my fault" and "If u wreck ur a bad driver" that is why they call it an ACCIDENT.
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This is kind of a long post, so bare with me. Hear me out though, and read please. 
So I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wrecked my Evo last night. Just got it a few weeks ago too, from an awesome guy here on the forums. I only have one picture of the car getting towed, but I'm sure when I post more pictures later some of you will recognize the car and either be really sad or pissed that I'd ruin such a car. Sorry guys. I definitely did wreck one of the nicest LY VIII's on these boards.
I will stand firm in saying that I am NOT what you all would call the "typical stupid young evo owner". I financed the car with my own loan, pay for it with my own money I work for, and thus I babied the living hell out of this car just like I did my SRT-4 and my Cavalier before this. I'm actually ridiculous with how well I take care of the car and have taken care of my cars. I don't beat on it, race it, or whatever. I drive the car for the love of Evo's and "import tuning" or whatever you want to call it. Its what I do. I love the whole scene.
There story is pretty short, really. I'm up here in Montclair, NJ at MSU visiting my girlfriend for the weekend. Before the day actually started and got going, one of the first things my girlfriend said after waking up is "Wow, I feel really anxious about today, I don't like it. I'm not feeling this day." We went over to Englishtown Raceway Park for the day to check out the Corvette and late model Mopar muscle challenge - it was really cool, loads of fast chargers and vettes. We went out to Applebee's for dinner and afterward decided to go for a little drive - we just didn't really feel like going back to the dorm quite yet. She directed me to a road she's travelled on quite often, and cited it as being fun for its curvey nature and small S-bends. I was like "sure, why not, lets go for it." and we decided to be off. I went up a small hill and inside of a small valley between some rocks and hills. Not speeding. Around the first turn there was a section of the road that was for whatever reason wet, so by no choice of my own and unavoidably, my tires became wet but not soaked - the road was simple damp with the water, it wasn't a puddle or anything. After that, we took one turn, and then one more. The last turn we took I downshifed to 4th from about 40mph in 5th gear, came out of the apex of the very slight 10 degree turn and accelerated with about half throttle. I gave a little more gas than I normally would - I'm not going to sit here and claim that I did absolutely nothing to contribute, but I have pushed the car harder before with no ill consequences. The amount of throttle I gave the car was barely what you would call "getting on it" or whatever. The turbo began to spool a little and I probably was going about 50-55mph when the back end of the car felt like it kicked out a bit to the right. This caused the nose of the car to face east which was the oncoming lane. The car continued to slide toward the oncoming lane and it's curb regardless of my andrenaline-induced attempt to counter steer and apply brakes. The front driver's side struck the tall curb first, turned slightly so that the passenger side front slammed it. The car was probably a few inches off the ground when it turned 180 degrees and struck a tree directly in the back bumper/deck lid.
The front of the car is severely damaged. The hood is dented up, and the passenger side wheel/control arm is bent up and out of the fender and its camber is completely out of wack. I couldn't see, but I'm sure the axle is bent or gone too. The back of the car's rear bumper is totally ****ed, along with the rear frame behind the crashbeam seemingly popped up and creased inside - lifting the trunk floor up to almost the deck lid. The wing was untouched. Most of the car's damage is in the front end. The whole front starting on the passenger side is mushed in toward the motor. The motor was running after the impact, and the airbags didn't deploy. The motor didn't seem displaced at all.
I haven't seen the car since the crash - its sitting at the local tow lot, I've still got to go see it on Tuesday.
All I can really say is that I am glad that my girlfriend is okay and that I'm unhurt. It could've been way worse, and one of my friends could've posted on here about serious injuries or even death. Trees tend to cause that - they don't budge.
I received no tickets from the officers who reported to the accident, and they attributed the crash mostly on the patch of road that was wet. But it definitely shouldn't have happened that easily. I've driven on the BFG KDW's in much worse weather, both on my SRT-4 and in this Evo, and I have never experienced such total and complete failure in traction traveling in a straight line. I don't really understand what caused the traction loss - the small amount of moisture on the tires is NOTHING compared to the WOTs I've done IN THE RAIN with no ill effect. BFG will be hearing from me I'm sure, because I'm pretty sure their tires do NOT work as advertised. All over the website they claim the KDWs will ensure that I can "drive in wet conditions with confidence!". I say its bull****, but thats a whole different issue.
Haven't heard from an adjuster yet - still waiting on that. I'm sure the car is totalled though. Sorry guys, never thought I'd ever have to post something like this. I'm sure you flamers will want to start with your "oh great now my insurance will go up" bull****, so go for it. Doesn't matter. The road was narrow and an experienced racecar driver could've probably corrected the loss of traction to turn out less bad, but I promise that anybody would've still hit at least the curb.
EDIT: Added more photos!
Any comments welcome, but I don't appreciate pointless flame.
So I never thought I'd be saying this, but I wrecked my Evo last night. Just got it a few weeks ago too, from an awesome guy here on the forums. I only have one picture of the car getting towed, but I'm sure when I post more pictures later some of you will recognize the car and either be really sad or pissed that I'd ruin such a car. Sorry guys. I definitely did wreck one of the nicest LY VIII's on these boards.
I will stand firm in saying that I am NOT what you all would call the "typical stupid young evo owner". I financed the car with my own loan, pay for it with my own money I work for, and thus I babied the living hell out of this car just like I did my SRT-4 and my Cavalier before this. I'm actually ridiculous with how well I take care of the car and have taken care of my cars. I don't beat on it, race it, or whatever. I drive the car for the love of Evo's and "import tuning" or whatever you want to call it. Its what I do. I love the whole scene.
There story is pretty short, really. I'm up here in Montclair, NJ at MSU visiting my girlfriend for the weekend. Before the day actually started and got going, one of the first things my girlfriend said after waking up is "Wow, I feel really anxious about today, I don't like it. I'm not feeling this day." We went over to Englishtown Raceway Park for the day to check out the Corvette and late model Mopar muscle challenge - it was really cool, loads of fast chargers and vettes. We went out to Applebee's for dinner and afterward decided to go for a little drive - we just didn't really feel like going back to the dorm quite yet. She directed me to a road she's travelled on quite often, and cited it as being fun for its curvey nature and small S-bends. I was like "sure, why not, lets go for it." and we decided to be off. I went up a small hill and inside of a small valley between some rocks and hills. Not speeding. Around the first turn there was a section of the road that was for whatever reason wet, so by no choice of my own and unavoidably, my tires became wet but not soaked - the road was simple damp with the water, it wasn't a puddle or anything. After that, we took one turn, and then one more. The last turn we took I downshifed to 4th from about 40mph in 5th gear, came out of the apex of the very slight 10 degree turn and accelerated with about half throttle. I gave a little more gas than I normally would - I'm not going to sit here and claim that I did absolutely nothing to contribute, but I have pushed the car harder before with no ill consequences. The amount of throttle I gave the car was barely what you would call "getting on it" or whatever. The turbo began to spool a little and I probably was going about 50-55mph when the back end of the car felt like it kicked out a bit to the right. This caused the nose of the car to face east which was the oncoming lane. The car continued to slide toward the oncoming lane and it's curb regardless of my andrenaline-induced attempt to counter steer and apply brakes. The front driver's side struck the tall curb first, turned slightly so that the passenger side front slammed it. The car was probably a few inches off the ground when it turned 180 degrees and struck a tree directly in the back bumper/deck lid.
The front of the car is severely damaged. The hood is dented up, and the passenger side wheel/control arm is bent up and out of the fender and its camber is completely out of wack. I couldn't see, but I'm sure the axle is bent or gone too. The back of the car's rear bumper is totally ****ed, along with the rear frame behind the crashbeam seemingly popped up and creased inside - lifting the trunk floor up to almost the deck lid. The wing was untouched. Most of the car's damage is in the front end. The whole front starting on the passenger side is mushed in toward the motor. The motor was running after the impact, and the airbags didn't deploy. The motor didn't seem displaced at all.
I haven't seen the car since the crash - its sitting at the local tow lot, I've still got to go see it on Tuesday.
All I can really say is that I am glad that my girlfriend is okay and that I'm unhurt. It could've been way worse, and one of my friends could've posted on here about serious injuries or even death. Trees tend to cause that - they don't budge.
I received no tickets from the officers who reported to the accident, and they attributed the crash mostly on the patch of road that was wet. But it definitely shouldn't have happened that easily. I've driven on the BFG KDW's in much worse weather, both on my SRT-4 and in this Evo, and I have never experienced such total and complete failure in traction traveling in a straight line. I don't really understand what caused the traction loss - the small amount of moisture on the tires is NOTHING compared to the WOTs I've done IN THE RAIN with no ill effect. BFG will be hearing from me I'm sure, because I'm pretty sure their tires do NOT work as advertised. All over the website they claim the KDWs will ensure that I can "drive in wet conditions with confidence!". I say its bull****, but thats a whole different issue.
Haven't heard from an adjuster yet - still waiting on that. I'm sure the car is totalled though. Sorry guys, never thought I'd ever have to post something like this. I'm sure you flamers will want to start with your "oh great now my insurance will go up" bull****, so go for it. Doesn't matter. The road was narrow and an experienced racecar driver could've probably corrected the loss of traction to turn out less bad, but I promise that anybody would've still hit at least the curb.
EDIT: Added more photos!
Any comments welcome, but I don't appreciate pointless flame.
Ladies and gentleman,
Please bow your heads down for a moment of silence on this tragic loss.
(OK, NOW)
DAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's terrible, man. That's a good, or was a good looking car.
Thank God that you and your lady are ok. That is the most important thing. Like the rest of the guys said. You and your lady cannot be replaced and thank your stars that you guys are not in the hospital.
But out of curiosity, are you going to get another AWD car?
Last edited by chino ali; Jun 14, 2007 at 01:00 PM.
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To the OP...
Sorry about your LY, I guess mine is that much rarer now (sorry could not resist). So after reading the first three pages of the post and looking at the pics of the car.... That car was sitting very low, was it on coilovers or springs?
Reason I ask is that to me (taking your word for what was going on at the time) it does not sound like the rear should have stepped out in the first place. If you were sitting on lowering springs you could have had a blown shock that promoted the rapid initial overstear as weight was being transfered to the rear under acceleration.
Was the wheel straight when you rolled into the gas or turned a little (at corner exit). Was there any tireshine crap on the tires? Also, when was the last time you checked the tire pressure before that night?
I agree with what other folks are saying about doing the wrong thing trying to recover the car, but again it sound to me like there were other factors involved if you really were going the speed you reported.
Sorry about your LY, I guess mine is that much rarer now (sorry could not resist). So after reading the first three pages of the post and looking at the pics of the car.... That car was sitting very low, was it on coilovers or springs?
Reason I ask is that to me (taking your word for what was going on at the time) it does not sound like the rear should have stepped out in the first place. If you were sitting on lowering springs you could have had a blown shock that promoted the rapid initial overstear as weight was being transfered to the rear under acceleration.
Was the wheel straight when you rolled into the gas or turned a little (at corner exit). Was there any tireshine crap on the tires? Also, when was the last time you checked the tire pressure before that night?
I agree with what other folks are saying about doing the wrong thing trying to recover the car, but again it sound to me like there were other factors involved if you really were going the speed you reported.
The car was on K-Sport coilovers that were adjusted extremely low, way too low for the wheels/tires that were on the car... and I had planned on raising it up a bit when I had the first chance. Very commonly the back tires would rub against the fender during hard corning, but this incident was definitely not hard cornering, not even in the least bit.
The steering wheel was turned a little if I remember correctly, but only for a second before giving it some gas. I was just coming out of the turn and had already straightened the wheel out of the apex when the sliding began. There was no tireshine on the tires, and the pressure was good judging from the ride quality, exterior look, and feel. I did not, however, actually check the exact PSI prior to the crash.
There were DEFINITELY other erroneous factors that played into the cause of the back end coming out - these of which I have yet to understand or figure out to any degree.
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Ladies and gentleman,
Please bow your heads down for a moment of silence on this tragic loss.
(OK, NOW)
DAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's terrible, man. That's a good, or was a good looking car.
Thank God that you and your lady are ok. That is the most important thing. Like the rest of the guys said. You and your lady cannot be replaced and thank your stars that you guys are not in the hospital.
But out of curiosity, are you going to get another AWD car?
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The car was determined a total loss by Geico and I received a ****ty settlement for it because I had not yet taken it to one of Geico's photo inspection places prior to the accident. So technically the car was not covered, but my bank was still compensated for the amount of the loan.
They are currently pressuring me to sign papers to release the car from my "ownership" so that they can sell it on auction, but I am delaying that so I can see how much the buyback amount is to see if I can part it out.
They are currently pressuring me to sign papers to release the car from my "ownership" so that they can sell it on auction, but I am delaying that so I can see how much the buyback amount is to see if I can part it out.
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Yeah, with about $20,000 you can repair it anytime you want. Between estimated labor costs and new parts, thats about how much it would cost. There is frame damage that you can't see in those pictures as well. The roof framing buckled slightly, and the rear of the car has alot of kinks in the frame.
Even if it was repaired, it would never drive the same again.
Even if it was repaired, it would never drive the same again.
I will stand firm in saying that I am NOT what you all would call the "typical stupid young evo owner". I financed the car with my own loan, pay for it with my own money I work for, and thus I babied the living hell out of this car just like I did my SRT-4 and my Cavalier before this. I'm actually ridiculous with how well I take care of the car and have taken care of my cars. I don't beat on it, race it, or whatever. I drive the car for the love of Evo's and "import tuning" or whatever you want to call it. Its what I do. I love the whole scene.
I don't feel bad for any Evo accidents. People bring this upon themselves, buy thinking "oh cool those s-bends look awesome, I bet I can rip them up, I have an Evo"
I only feel bad for motorists that are a part of accidents that are beyond their control (druck driver, hit from the back, etc.)
Flame on me all you want, doesn't bother me.
Last edited by BBYBruno; Jun 20, 2007 at 07:31 AM.
