I never liked mitsubishi.... but I like the Evo. If not for the Evo, I would probably never own a Mitsu.

 

Have you actually been anywhere in Asia????

 

909 - What about the Evo is appealing to you? You obviously care more about the way a car looks.

 

What the f*ck does that have to do with what you said and with what I replied with?!

Let me write this out for you so you (hopefully) don't get lost (again):

My initial fact:
Honda and Toyota are tier one Japanese brands that make quality vehicles and also revise and address any issues that arise. And yes, there will always be a couple poor dealerships to sour the bunch but it's nothing like Mitsubishi which not only has a lot of bad dealerships, but the damn corporation is also actively trying to screw over Evo owners.

Your challenge:
You (paraphrased): I bet if Honda or Toyota made a similar car it would be just as bad

The response:
Me: Toyota's already been there and made one of the world's greatest supercars - The twin-turbo MkIV Supra. Proof that they are lightyears beyond Mitsubishi in quality control and build quality on a turbo car. 320hp and two turbos - all without any compromises in any other area of the car.

Then you quote my entire post to reply with one line saying something irrelevant about Hondas and Toyotas you own because you have nothing to say but want to have a 'last word' comment that means nothing.

I was just stating a fact that Mitsubishi is not on the same level as the top Japanese brands. It's fact. First of all stop arguing against fact.

And second, STOP REPLYING TO PEOPLE JUST TO BE CONTRARY WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.

 

All I can say is that as I'm someone who drives a wrx and is thinking of getting either an EVO or STi it is scary to see this may bad posts about Mitsubishi on a forum like this.

I have been all over Subaru forums for quite a while and never see the consistant "Subaru sucks threads" or "Subaru denies warrantee" as I have in just browsing this forum a few times.

I love the EVO and I love the STi but this could be a deciding factor. (I do really love the evo though and I wish it wasn't - maybe it wont be)

 

I swear to god man all these asswipes jump in the car and beat the **** out of it and expect the dealers to fix it?

wanna save the clutch ?

DONT BURN IT TO DEATH ON LAUCHES

 

and before i get the ol " i paid for a EVO that has to be bullet proof " BS

the car was not designed for drag lauches or that type of racing

in the first place, if you wanna drag race it shell out the 1400

dollars and buy a clutch built to handle the abuse.

 

though better the clutch than the tranny...

(like our rexes)

 

48k on the odo on the wrx on the stock clutch no problems

my evo has about 7k on the odo hard miles no probems

 

Another genius that didn't get the point of the thread.

 

Where does it say who is what rate company where did you read that smart ***? I don't care what you think or what your "Dogs" told you. Mitsu makes good cars, I know someone who has a 3000GT and had 170k miles on it with no problems and sold it who gives a ****. And the MKIV was over 40k and that was 10 year ago today it would be more like 45-50k. apples to oranges Also last thing what about the VR4 2 turbos and a V6 lol you are really dumb man.

 

i was in the market for a WRX when they came out in 2002. I saw a multitude of threads in the subaru forums of denied warranty and the like and they mysteriously stopped. I can only assume that the subaru dealers got there act together. I was researching WRX'x about 7-9 months after the car was released. I saw this same thing on the subaru forums then and i see it here now. In a 6-12 months Mitsu with either fix the issues or ignore us. It will take time for them to address the issues. Like it was said it took honda 2 years to address them in the s2000 and it took 2 years for subaru to address the issues with the WRX. I know i will be flamed but i wanted to vent. i agree that the car should not have had the issues but nothing is perfect. AWD cars with less than 300HP can't spint the tires like a RWD vette so u have to a weak point in the drivetrain. The Evo has a weak clutch and the WRX has a weakish tranny(strong but won't like with drag launches...sound familiar???)

Ok...now that i have vented. Has this negative stuff effected my veiw of mitsu or Subaru for that matter? No it hasn't. Will i buy a Mitsu? Yes i will. I am loking to get a DSM right now and will eventually get an Evo. I am also still considering the WRX and the STi. Thats my take but what i think doesn't matter. Mitsu I think will fix the problems given enough time to come up with the fixes

 

 

What about the VR4 was that not TT and made by Hell it was even 4 wheel drive right?

 

There is a big difference between the usual issues every performance car's forums discuss - such as clutches, differentials, etc. Some drivers who drive "like the car was meant to be driven" (if you ask them) will run into problems in any car. That is the normal level of "noise" on every enthusiast forum.

The issues that actually concern potential buyers such as myself are how Mitsu handles legit warranty claims (which they have gone out of their way to deny in several cases on this board alone), and things that NO new car should have such as rust and paint so poor it stains instantly and so poor that owners are already experiencing fading on cars less than one physical year old.

Those are serious problems... flaws in the build quality and process that Mitsu needs to address ASAP if they ever want to earn the business of new car customers from (just about any) other car brands.

If you want to take a basis of $30k as a price point for a car, you can easily find two juxtaposed vehicles - for example an Acura CL TypeS versus the Evo8. One is a luxury coupe, one is a performance car. They both hit the same price point and yet compete in two completely different markets.

One is FWD, naturally aspirated, full of luxury features. The other is AWD, turbo, and just generic interior features that will wear and break quicker but the car itself is built to perform.

Picture two sliding scales at opposite ends. One is Performance and the other is Luxury. Those are two viable scales where if you increase one, while keeping the price the same, you will likely need to decrease the other.

What some people here are trying to do is place "Basic New Car Expectations" on one of those scales and balance it against performance and that's just not logically possible. Basic New Car Expectations are what you expect from a brand new car of any price level - such as a car that's got a proper anti-rust treatment and a clearcoat on the paint that's thick enough to protect it - the primary job of the clearcoat. I am just picking those two examples since they are part of Basic New Car Expectations but they are things some people here think it's okay to put on the scale and balance versus Performance.

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. It's a logical impossibility on a new car purchase, because it is exactly that - a NEW CAR. New Car Expectations do not compete against Performance. It doesn't matter what level of Performance you're at - any of the cars when purchased new are expected to come with proper new car build quality and condition whether it's a Hyundai or a Benz.

Just because YOU are comfortable making your new car a project car and don't mind do-it-yourself maintenance doesn't somehow mean it's acceptable for a new car to have such issues. All it means is you would probably be a good candidate to spend the $30k on a used car since you would get more "car" for your money and wouldn't mind the extra maintenance and ACCEPTABLE issues for a used car such as the possibility of rust and the paint being old and worn/stained/scratched/etc.

I don't think I can make that any more clear. That has been my point all along. Ignoring the side-tracks, focus on the point - Mitsu has poor quality control and build quality on the Evo8 currently. If they fix that, I would consider spending my money on a Mitsu. Until they do they will not get my money for an unacceptable condition for a new product.