Does it bother you that a lot of ppl are polluting just to squeeze out a few extra ponies? I'm talking about using the cat-delete pipes. I mean we all breathe the air... I just wanted to get ppl's opinion on this. Btw in my turbo-back i'm running a hi-flow cat, and if i'm not passing emissions then i'll stick another one on there rather then bribing the guy.

 

Damn environmentalist

 

i wouldn't do it because i live here in the US ... but if i lived back in the PI then i'd have no problem polluting the hell out of the air for any reason actually.

 

because i, unlike everyone, don't breathe air fool! ... no really

 

I don't think that, on the whole, using a "dirtier" high-flow cat is really attrocious. After all, there are all kinds of what I consider to be "idiots" driving around huge trucks for their personal image. Anyone driving a huge SUV or a Ford Excursion or a Hummer as their daily go-get-the-groceries vehicle is simply ignoring everyone else's wellfare wholeheartedly for their own personal "satisfaction". Often I hear "I like to sit up high" "I can't see traffic down low" (meaning what? you can't tailgait as much?) or, the most common, "I feel safer". Well, if some person wants to say "screw anyone else" because they want to hold on to their personal need to dominate the road with massive tons of machinery...because it threatens to crush anyone who would dare to cross their path..then I say screw them. There are a million people doing just that, and their belief of "safety" blatantly ignores all objective data and crash experience. Nontheless, there are always people who will believe whatever they want despite all evidence to the contrary. In fact, most people in this country, in my estimation, have forgone learning entirely and will fight vehemently to hold whatever belief they may have first attached themselves to...regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary. Most have simply decided to close their minds entirely...but I digress.
My point (if I can still find one in this madness somewhere) is that, compared to all the SUVs and blatantly horrible polluters (like weedeaters and other small two-strokes), a high-flow cat seems fairly innocuous...as does the occasional day at the track where one might use a cat-delete pipe. In my opinion, the idea of driving around with no cat all the time (to get the groceries, etc) falls into the same category of "screw everyone...I don't care about anyone else".
So overall, c'mon guys...we've got high-flow cats that really don't limit us much at all when we're just tooling around...and we can still tune to outperform vipers with the cat in place...plus, if we really want to go all out at some time, we can swap out the cat for a test pipe, get our yayas out, and then put the cat back on for the 98% of the time we're really not going to bleed over the 5whp we are losing.

 

well we personally won't feel the negative effect of poll;ution, but our grandchildren will. So gimme a few extra ponies and flames put of my exhuast!

 

[/QUOTE]I don't think that, on the whole, using a "dirtier" high-flow cat is really attrocious. After all, there are all kinds of what I consider to be "idiots" driving around huge trucks for their personal image. Anyone driving a huge SUV or a Ford Excursion or a Hummer as their daily go-get-the-groceries vehicle is simply ignoring everyone else's wellfare wholeheartedly for their own personal "satisfaction". Often I hear "I like to sit up high" "I can't see traffic down low" (meaning what? you can't tailgait as much?) or, the most common, "I feel safer". Well, if some person wants to say "screw anyone else" because they want to hold on to their personal need to dominate the road with massive tons of machinery...because it threatens to crush anyone who would dare to cross their path..then I say screw them. There are a million people doing just that, and their belief of "safety" blatantly ignores all objective data and crash experience. Nontheless, there are always people who will believe whatever they want despite all evidence to the contrary. In fact, most people in this country, in my estimation, have forgone learning entirely and will fight vehemently to hold whatever belief they may have first attached themselves to...regardless of any and all evidence to the contrary. Most have simply decided to close their minds entirely...but I digress.
My point (if I can still find one in this madness somewhere) is that, compared to all the SUVs and blatantly horrible polluters (like weedeaters and other small two-strokes), a high-flow cat seems fairly innocuous...as does the occasional day at the track where one might use a cat-delete pipe. In my opinion, the idea of driving around with no cat all the time (to get the groceries, etc) falls into the same category of "screw everyone...I don't care about anyone else".
So overall, c'mon guys...we've got high-flow cats that really don't limit us much at all when we're just tooling around...and we can still tune to outperform vipers with the cat in place...plus, if we really want to go all out at some time, we can swap out the cat for a test pipe, get our yayas out, and then put the cat back on for the 98% of the time we're really not going to bleed over the 5whp we are losing.

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Amen brotha!

 

someone should build a hella ionic breeze.......that would solve the problem

 

Ok, it's really simple. Catyltic convertors have nothing to do with gas consumption. I just put my catalytic convertor back on, I'm a little dissapointed in myself it took this long.

If it's ok for you take take your catalytic convertor off, is it ok for everyone to take their catalytic convertor off? Could you imagine the effect if everyone thought they had the right to take their catalytic convertor off. And they could all give the same dumb reason as us, "Well, it gives your free horsepower."

 

screw the cat. at every stop light i see huge tractor trailer putting plumes of black smoke into the air. that happens every 50 ft on the road and people are gonna worry about what my 4 banger puts out??? I dont think so. until those big *** things are regulated and not choking me at every light ill take the 5 WHP.

 

Damn, this is the wrong kind of mentality. Just because your neighbor is a criminal doesn't mean you have to be one too.

I *HATE* driving behind old 60s and 70s cars w/ a passion cuz they stink like sh*t. Ever drive behind a car that's running leaded gas? Man, the fumes will make you teary eyed. Cruise behind a car w/ a test pipe on the highway for a long period of time and the fumes will make you sick.

I've seen guys make over 400whp w/ high flow cats so they aren't as restrictive as everyone thought. Over here in Cali, the fine for not having a cat can be over $2k and the possibility of going to jail. That's enough incentive for me to keep a cat on my car. I wouldn't count on passing emissions w/ a high flow cat, but just having one will definitely keep you out of trouble vs. not having one. Just keep the stocker around come smog check time.

 

IMHO a high flow cat is better than cat delete because it doesn't smell bad and you don't have to worry about $1000 fees, etc.

 

Here in michigan we have a different scenario. We used to have emmisions testing, but our Michigan Legislature came up with something.

They found out the in the state of Michigan, less than 1% of air pollution came from cars.

The expense of testing to save that 1% was not worth it, so they dropped the emmisions testing.

The next day, it seemed every motorhead and gear-nut pulled their cats off or just ran with open headers.

We live in the land of the free when it comes to emmisions...no testing or restrictions.

However, we ARE still mandated by federal law which restricts the removal of catalitic converters, but I have never heard of local law enforcing a federal law.

My $.02

 

just went cat-less

 

Avoid the hassles...just run a high-flow cat...the Random Technology cat for the Evo flows more than the exhaust, anyway, so there is no loss of power compared to a test pipe...