STU: Understeer Understeer!! can you help ?
I hate to point out the obvious with all of this great discussion going on, but the OP's posted photographs clearly show a huge amount of bodyroll.
If he's on the stock Bilstein's, then theyre probably a bit too soft for the tarmac autocross events.
you seriously need to have stiffer springs and much more dampening - keep that body roll in check.
I find maximum castor and some negative front and a little less negative rear about right.
I dont find understeer any kinda of problem in the evo. I use Tein SS and have it lowered slightly but I have the roll center well within a good range. Stiffened slightly and then each event is tuned for using tyre pressures and dampening settings. the rest I leave well alone.
Stock rear and front sway bars. I wouldnt stiffen the front bar on the AWD at all and I'd only slightly stiffen the rear if any. If you want a more rear-led car then put in the ralliart centre diff controller and increase your rear pressures while leaving the chassis balance of the car neutral.
Trav
If he's on the stock Bilstein's, then theyre probably a bit too soft for the tarmac autocross events.
you seriously need to have stiffer springs and much more dampening - keep that body roll in check.
I find maximum castor and some negative front and a little less negative rear about right.
I dont find understeer any kinda of problem in the evo. I use Tein SS and have it lowered slightly but I have the roll center well within a good range. Stiffened slightly and then each event is tuned for using tyre pressures and dampening settings. the rest I leave well alone.
Stock rear and front sway bars. I wouldnt stiffen the front bar on the AWD at all and I'd only slightly stiffen the rear if any. If you want a more rear-led car then put in the ralliart centre diff controller and increase your rear pressures while leaving the chassis balance of the car neutral.
Trav
Well, he also states he doesnt want suspension.
And your setup may be what works for you, but its extremely basic, theres allot more you can do.
I hate to disagree with you here, but i've found that to be pretty much a zero gain mod. The rear suspension is multilink, not struts. The shock top mounts don't move around much and even if they did, they don't affect geometry like the fronts do.
The one I would add to the list is camber plates. Once you go -3 degrees up front, it's a whole different ballgame. Even low speed push isn't an issue.
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The one I would add to the list is camber plates. Once you go -3 degrees up front, it's a whole different ballgame. Even low speed push isn't an issue.
d
Just that things that applied or that are generally accepted as "truths" may have changed between then and now.
That said, MRLancer05, just to be clear, you installed just the rear strut bar or sway bar?
That said, MRLancer05, just to be clear, you installed just the rear strut bar or sway bar?
Yeah just the the rear strut bar. I later installed the WL rear swaybar as well and against my better judgement started it on the stiffest setting which made the car drive like it had plastic wheels in the rear. I set it back to the middle setting and everythings seems pretty good now.
Let me know when you do. I wouldn't mind seeing it done. FSB is the only suspension thing left that I want to do.
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