going OT some more, glad to hear the DS2500s are good, since I've got them coming !

I have 14/14 (Stance GR+PRO SSD) on the car I daily drive. I'll be honest, if I was not going to track heavily and/or frequently there is NO way I would get coilovers this stiff. Seriously! After the autox yesterday I neglected to reset the dampening back soft and all the way home and to work today I was feeling every bump and un-smooth portion of the road.

So, if your purpose is just to lower: springs, light autox/track: springs & struts or entry coilovers, heavy track: stiff coilovers

 

Better question is why not coilovers?

how much flexibility do you have with your setup? not much!

Most people get coilovers mainly for improved performance (not the case with all coilovers)... be able to control ride height... able to control dampening... able to control camber settings.

hmmm...by buying just springs you can't do any of that. Why spend $250 for springs, and be stuck with that?! Then you have to buy camber plates etc...
lower the car .4 - 1 inch?

Again, not all coilovers are super stiff... and unbearable. *

Most reputable suspension companies have different models to accommodate the needs / wants of most consumers...whether it's daily / some track / hardcore track use.

 

Neither Tein nor Stance can exactly be described as a "reputable suspension company."

*sigh* I can't believe I'm actually posting in this forum again.

If you're just driving on the street, you'll probably never notice the difference between a set of Megans or a set of custom Penskes. You shouldn't be driving close enough to the edge on the street to make use of the difference anyway. If you're dead set or either the Teins or the Stance, get the ones with the softer springs.

 

In this context - you don't need to be constantly messing with settings. I don't need to control ride height or dampening (let the spring rates and struts work together). And you still control camber coil-over or not.


Again, you don't need camber plates. Camber bolts are a maybe. I still use the OE bolts and have my camber at -1.7 for daily driving. On the -2 setting I can have more than -2 degrees. Once lowered (on anything) camber setting will change (as well as toe).

OP is not talking about all coil-overs.

Agree with GTLocke13.

 

change of topic ....so what suspension u guys running and where the car gets driven more

 

tein, i'll agree that i read in more than one place that they aren't so great. but you must know something specific about the stance coilovers that most dont. and i say that because Stance apparently did pretty well in NASA TT-R in '07. to be fair, that's about the most meaningful data point that i have found on them (and a pretty important one at that), but i haven't heard anything confirmed negative about Stance either.

 

Struts: Bilstein HD
Springs: Swift Sport GSR
Sways: Swift Front and Rear

98,000 mi - daily driven, 5-6 HPDEs a summer, 6-10 AXs.

You have an MR right? And you already have Cusco sways. You already have the Bilstein MR struts. Add the Swift MR springs (or GTWorx - slightly less drop all around) you would have a good mixed bag car.

Look at it this way, you can get the Swifts for ~$275. If you really don't like them they can be sold in under a week for same price.

The combo I listed above has done extremely well for me, I have placed in AXs, out driven dozens of more expensive cars on the track, and done a few cross-country runs on my suspension.

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Most suspension companies really cheap out on dampers. Shocks are such a highly engineered item that most small companies can't afford to design and fabricate their own, so they go buy some off-brand shock and fabricate a coilover around it. The quality control on those shocks is usually terrible, and they are never designed specifically for your car.

If you go with one of the big guys you end up getting a correctly engineered shock. By the big guys I mean Penske, Koni, Bilstein, Ohlins, and Moton. They all (I believe) design and manufactuer their shocks in-house.

Its not so much that I've heard bad things about Stance, but I haven't heard good things either. With coilover setups, its usually safe to assume any company's stuff is complete crap until proven otherwise.

 

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gt13 what suspension u running....where u drive the car most

 

I'm still running bone stock on the Evo, but I only drive it on the street. On the Solstice, we're running a set of custom double-adjustable Konis and they're like butter... I picked up a second on a 60-second autocross course when we went from the SA Konis to the DA Konis.

On the street, the Evo suspension is hard to beat. The reason it needs to be upgraded for track or autocross is because the springs allow a lot of body roll. Combine that with limited camber and super-sticky tires and you end up riding on the shoulder of the tire all the time. On the street, you're not generating nearly the cornering force, and the stock suspension is completely adequate.

 

thank u...

 

so, to be fair, you don't have anything specific. while you won't see any of my cars on tein or bc or megan, stance at least suspended the winning TT-R car from last year, which certainly ain't bad. i'll generally agree with you on the guilty until proven innocent, but i think that stance just might qualify as the exception to that rule.

 

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