We did the mail in flash with AL and while it did help us bring our car up to a much better A/f Range by no means can it substitute for a custom tune of course.. The maint hings i asked of AL was to give me more RPM, More 2 Step and lean it out some and that worked like a charm.. I am not sure what the alternative piggy backs will do for more RPM or Increased 2 step.. I guess we can wait and see..

Mike

 

you guys are pro's. But some, no offense 18-25 years old guy with own build car is not a same league by any means.
And there is where i see the danger. Some guys better off with the costume tune, so the tuners at least can examine the car, at least visually.
So no MBC installed back words / i know i dramatized /

i do understand some times no other way but mail in flash. But i think if you have a slight chance to go to the tuner, then do it.
And that is why i never liked piggybacks or chips. Sorry.
If you dont know what you are doing 110% the better leave it for the Pro's.
That step you will never regret.

 

Yes it always better to have a tuner there and looking at the car, listening to the car and nobody can ever argue that.. I have seen 5 out of 10 10 cars lately come in with the BOV backwards and the customer has no idea.. On the 8 and 9 its funny because it looks right when its backwards but it works wrong obviously..

 

Custom tunes are great if you live in TX, FL, CA but for the rest of us a custom tune is a gamble because the person tuning our car might have only seen a small # of cars before ours.

There is no reason someone can't offer a great mail-in flash for a bone stock car if you know the altitude and the type of fuel they're putting in the car.

Look at what the BMW guys are doing with their 335s. Tons of solutions like Juice Box and PROcede. Those guys are making $$$ and it's not just because BMW owners have more dollars to spend, it's because the people who offer those products understand how to develop and market a product that consumers want.

I don't want to have to read an internet forum hours every day to figure out when some guy is flying to my area to custom tune cars. The whole concept is absurd.

I want someone to offer a product that I can buy, install myself, and uninstall if necessary without any hassle. COBB, Vishnu, Works, and the Juice Box guys have it all figured out. And they're also the ones who are making MONEY.

The vast majority of people with Evos have no interest in blowing weekends at "dyno days", 1/4 mile times and trap speeds or any of that crap. What they want is an accessible product that will push their *** a little deeper into their seats when they hit the go pedal. There is far too much catering to HP freaks who are looking to break into the 10s by vendors when there is a gigantic market of people who just want to "wake up" their stock Evos.

Chase the money, guys! For f*cks sake.

 

My ONLY gripe with the mail in flash is for the novice EVO Owners they have no idea what to look for or listen for incase of an issue.. No matter how great the tuner is that checked the log, and designed a flash to improve the car when something is failing, leaking, pinging, acting up in anyway that the owner doesnt pick up on you will have an issue..

 

I'm just going to say something on topic...

Wow, that's a great time. Just shows what a good tuner can do to a stock Evo X. I think the driver did a good job too.

 

That post made entirely too much sense to be on an Evo board. I am squarely in the market that you describe, as are most everyone that I know.

 

We agree entirely which is why we came up with an additional option that does verbatum what you stated above.

Its nice to pay the bills that all the R&D expenses out, however it is a much greater feat to come up with something that gives the consumer a "choice" as no one likes to be told who and what they have to use in order to acheive the results they are after.

Choice is good. Product options in various price points is even better.

 

You have a bulldozer take on things, but you're going forward on assumptions and half truths. Throwing around words like "censoring" and "whitewashing" when you really have no idea what exactly was deleted makes no sense. There are rules in place, and I directed said member to where he can post what he is talking about. The manner he originally did it was off topic and derailed the thread entirely.

Its not a gamble. There are EcuTeK dealers all over the country tuning Xs with a ton of experience with these cars as well as the reflashing protocols. These people have been tuning VIIIs and IXs before they were tuning Xs. It has full live tracing and complete datalogging for their utilization.


And some of them do. But a custom tune to the specific car will provide better power.

No. They're doing it because its the only way they can do it. They have no flashing tools or access to the ECU.


You think they don't know this? You think all their local tuning business are trying to build ten second cars? No, their local tuning business are primarily lightly modded bolt on cars and stock cars.

The problem with doing shelf tunes for Evos is that people tend to buy a lot more hard parts and change things on these cars. These cars need custom tunes to perform optimally and in some cases, even safely. You don't have to go to a dyno day, just find the nearest tuner you can and get a custom tune. Or get a mail in flash from one of the vendors that offer it. Or buy a piggyback that has a shelf tune you like.

 

Great times on the flashed ECU. I wonder how many people are "on the fence" about the Z-chip? I guess I could start a poll??

 

So why is 107 MPH so good?
Isn't that only like 6 MPH faster than stock?
What am I missing?

 

I think 6mph over stock is pretty good with just a flash.. MPH doesnt come easy..

 

I don't think it was started to say "it is so good", but rather to show that mapping gained that car 6mph, whether the dyno gains show 50whp or 100whp, whether using a reflash or a piggyback. To show they are the same in the real world.

IMO, 6mph is at least pretty good for an otherwise completely stock car.

 

Will try to go back tomorrow and see if i can get some more mph out of it. I had 3/4 full tank of gas so lets see what happens with less gas and more seat time. I only made 3 runs with the car.

Most guys i have seen on this forum are running around the same mph with mods where as my car has none besides the ecutek tuning done by Sean Ivey.

 

Knock it out, man!