AMS Intake Install. Flutter Sound help
Basically this happens because the force exerted by the compressed air working against the compressor wheel is greater than the force exerted by the exhaust gas driving the turbine wheel. This can be because of two things:
1. a faulty BOV - happens during throttle lift. no exhaust gas charging compressor, but high pressure in charge pipe
2. poor boost control - happens curing acceleration. too much pressure in charge pipe, and not enough exhaust gas working the turbine
Since its happening at low RPM when you're accelerating, it's obviously the 2nd case. Do some logging to see if you wastegate is open when this happens. If so, thats your problem
You might also be able to get some more exhaust flow by playing with the MIVEC tables, but I don't know much about how all that works =/ If all else fails, try reducing the boost levels and see if the problem goes away. If it does, then that should validate the problem and indicated that you might have a fault WGA or a problem with your BCS vacuum lines.
I'm still pretty new at this myself, so you might to read around a bit to make sure you understand what I'm suggesting. Can any of the tuner gods confirm that I'm on track here? I don't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction
1. a faulty BOV - happens during throttle lift. no exhaust gas charging compressor, but high pressure in charge pipe
2. poor boost control - happens curing acceleration. too much pressure in charge pipe, and not enough exhaust gas working the turbine
Since its happening at low RPM when you're accelerating, it's obviously the 2nd case. Do some logging to see if you wastegate is open when this happens. If so, thats your problem
You might also be able to get some more exhaust flow by playing with the MIVEC tables, but I don't know much about how all that works =/ If all else fails, try reducing the boost levels and see if the problem goes away. If it does, then that should validate the problem and indicated that you might have a fault WGA or a problem with your BCS vacuum lines.I'm still pretty new at this myself, so you might to read around a bit to make sure you understand what I'm suggesting. Can any of the tuner gods confirm that I'm on track here? I don't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction

here is the all stroy, i also attached the logs in the document :
I'm in trouble with the grimspeed 3 port.. I set the boost to 25psi.
First I did some run on stock bov and turbosmart bov but on spool up from 2500-3500rpm there was a stupid sound like the bov can not hold boost or compressor surge.. Than I move on ssqv for some run the sound was much quiter but coud hear @ around 3000rpm.
But yesterday I got the synapse dv tried in every mode pull type, push type a+b port but the same sound as with ssqv. Tried to lowering the boost with the wgdc setting to flat 20psi but also can hear it around 3000rpm.
I give it up with the 3 port, instal back the stock boost control system and did some run on Gunso SST settings. No idiot sound on spool up, the car goes smoother even on the stock bov too, where with the 3port was very bad. The boost on spool up with the Gunso settings and with mine on 3 port is near the same..
I have no idea... I'm attacheing a document where I analyzied the logs.
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=jyw1m10bzbc
What coud be the problem with grimspeed 3port ?
The mivec settings the timing and the fuel was the same in every situation.
Here is my wgdc settings :

Mods on the car : 3" exhaust system, ams intercooler pipe and ams intake, dw 1000cc
its common with the 3port... i use a gruppe-s 3port and on 3rd gear pulls from 2500-3500 it sounds kinda like compressor surge or the bov is fluttering. i believe it is because you can hear the wga trying to open... especially if you have an aftermarket intake, it will amplify the sound a lot. its not bad its just annoying lol. does it go away when you hit full boost?
just to be sure: are your passive wgdc's zero'd out? Your reactive numbers seem pretty high for a 3port, at least according to the stuff I've read. I think at 80% throttle @ 3000 rpm you should be running about 40% wgdc. You're running about 70%
its common with the 3port... i use a gruppe-s 3port and on 3rd gear pulls from 2500-3500 it sounds kinda like compressor surge or the bov is fluttering. i believe it is because you can hear the wga trying to open... especially if you have an aftermarket intake, it will amplify the sound a lot. its not bad its just annoying lol. does it go away when you hit full boost?
and why i cannot hear it with the stock solenoid same level of boost ? Maybe because the boost pills, Y and like this ?
Last edited by VGergo; Nov 18, 2010 at 01:21 AM.
I set the crossover point to 110 so 3-4-5-6 gear is working from the high gear range under the test. If you look in the document you can see i need those "high" numbers in the picture to get 25psi near flat boost curve. I tried to lowering wgdc and the boost to flat 20psi and the same problem.
for interest I tried with this settings first time before I raised the numbers what you can see in my last post and I got funny boost curve, here x over point was lower to 75 ( and ofcourse stupid sound was there ) :

Did you notice if you're getting the surge in all gears, or just high/just low? The rpm/mph switchover seems pretty high to me... maybe because its an MR, but still seems high.
I see you posted on the 'other' forum, as well. In page 3 of that thread, check out what Whitewind posted. I think that's closer to what you should try in the WGDC tables.
I see you posted on the 'other' forum, as well. In page 3 of that thread, check out what Whitewind posted. I think that's closer to what you should try in the WGDC tables.
Did you notice if you're getting the surge in all gears, or just high/just low? The rpm/mph switchover seems pretty high to me... maybe because its an MR, but still seems high.
I see you posted on the 'other' forum, as well. In page 3 of that thread, check out what Whitewind posted. I think that's closer to what you should try in the WGDC tables.
I see you posted on the 'other' forum, as well. In page 3 of that thread, check out what Whitewind posted. I think that's closer to what you should try in the WGDC tables.
yes high /low cross now is high for easier test 3-4-5-6 gear are working now from high gear range.. I would lower it if i can tune up the car without that sound to 75 .
in 3 gear i can hear it but in 4-5-6 can hear little more.
im running a stock bov too btw. i have a 9 but the concept is the same. it shouldnt make the sound in 1st or 2nd... only in 3rd+ and only when the turbo is spooling from low rpms... i was trippin out the first few pulls of my tune.
AH I have this on my 2010 X with just the Cobb OTS Stage I map, and of course every time I attempt to log, it wont do it, so I've been writing it off as wastegate flutter like what I had on my Subarus.
What I need to do is get a co-pilot to help me do the logging so I can create the situation when it happens.
What I need to do is get a co-pilot to help me do the logging so I can create the situation when it happens.
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