Newbie
just wondering if there is a particular reason you guys went with steel piping be yet stainless none the less. with the added weight of the X in general over the previous models wouldnt aluminum have been a better choice not to mention the favorable properties of aluminum over steel for intercooler piping...
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There has been some discussions on how the stock FMIC is not very good. In some cases, it was identified as a source of knock producing conditions because it couldn't reduce the air temps. Would you say that drawing air from the interior of the engine bay, instead of drawing it from outside, may amplify this issue?
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Aluminum absorbs heat. Granted it would be a BIT lighter but it wouldnt be anything substantial enough to worry about. It would probably be about the equivalent to taking a #2 before you go out racing. Originally Posted by Tigre
just wondering if there is a particular reason you guys went with steel piping be yet stainless none the less. with the added weight of the X in general over the previous models wouldnt aluminum have been a better choice not to mention the favorable properties of aluminum over steel for intercooler piping...
We use stainless.... mainly polished stainless because it deflects heat.
Another reason is when you use stainless you don't have to worry about the pipes crushing under a highload such as that provided by a t-bolt clamp.
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All that and they are just beautiful pipes. The shine is so deep and nice, way better then any polished aluminum. My Buschur up pipe was the best looking mod under my hood.
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We use stainless.... mainly polished stainless because it deflects heat.
Another reason is when you use stainless you don't have to worry about the pipes crushing under a highload such as that provided by a t-bolt clamp.
It does have a much higher heat transfer rate than steel, but I guess the whole point of the piping is to get it into the intercooler to cool it and keep the heat in the air, so makes sense =)Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
Aluminum absorbs heat. Granted it would be a BIT lighter but it wouldnt be anything substantial enough to worry about. It would probably be about the equivalent to taking a #2 before you go out racing. We use stainless.... mainly polished stainless because it deflects heat.
Another reason is when you use stainless you don't have to worry about the pipes crushing under a highload such as that provided by a t-bolt clamp.
Evolved Member
Do you have pictures of the intercooler installed with everything put back together such as teh front bumper?
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We're actually working on a little something else. If we get it wrapped up this week I will be posting pics. Stay tuned! Originally Posted by R0ME0
Do you have pictures of the intercooler installed with everything put back together such as teh front bumper?
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+ 1 on this. Can you reply Buschur???Originally Posted by PDXEvo
There has been some discussions on how the stock FMIC is not very good. In some cases, it was identified as a source of knock producing conditions because it couldn't reduce the air temps. Would you say that drawing air from the interior of the engine bay, instead of drawing it from outside, may amplify this issue?
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Do you use photobucket to save bandwidth? Is there any way these images can be hosted on your company site?
I'm not one to complain, but I check out this site from time to time on my breaks at work, and I can't view any of the images Buschur posts...
I'm not one to complain, but I check out this site from time to time on my breaks at work, and I can't view any of the images Buschur posts...
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I'm not one to complain, but I check out this site from time to time on my breaks at work, and I can't view any of the images Buschur posts...
Most of the images are on our site in the shopping cart. Originally Posted by SuperHatch
Do you use photobucket to save bandwidth? Is there any way these images can be hosted on your company site?I'm not one to complain, but I check out this site from time to time on my breaks at work, and I can't view any of the images Buschur posts...
Everyone else seems to be able to see the images. You may just want to adjust your security settings.
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Originally Posted by Jrod@Buschur
Aluminum absorbs heat. Granted it would be a BIT lighter but it wouldnt be anything substantial enough to worry about. It would probably be about the equivalent to taking a #2 before you go out racing.
Some of the lighter reason's I turned to the Buschur side of things, breaking it down for simplified comparisons..
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Why did Buschur Racing decide to use a K&N brand air filter on the X but not on the 8/9?
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It was just our decision to do it that way.Originally Posted by S2kracka
Why did Buschur Racing decide to use a K&N brand air filter on the X but not on the 8/9?
Evolved Member
Few things.
We used a K&N filter on the EVOX because they make a readily available filter that goes directly onto the MAF sensor, it is the cheapest, cleanest, easiest solution. All the kit needed was a good bracket made to hold the MAF in place. We've done that with a nice SS bracket that is included with the kit.
The stock FMIC does not control heat well at all, end of story. It is marginal at best. The new Lancer Ralliart is even worse, the FMIC that is coming in that car is half the size of the EVO. All of the testing on the FMIC, the upper i/c pipe and our filter kit for the EVO X was done with the hood closed on the car. The gains were still substantial. There was a test done a year or so ago on the EVO 8 with our open element filter on the car and then one with a full shield built around it. The test was to show a difference in tempuratures at the filter. The test showed there were no gains with the filter being shielded.
We have actually kept the factory air inlet on the car and just cut the end of it off where it went to the factory box. This leaves it blowing cool air on the filter kit.
We used a K&N filter on the EVOX because they make a readily available filter that goes directly onto the MAF sensor, it is the cheapest, cleanest, easiest solution. All the kit needed was a good bracket made to hold the MAF in place. We've done that with a nice SS bracket that is included with the kit.
The stock FMIC does not control heat well at all, end of story. It is marginal at best. The new Lancer Ralliart is even worse, the FMIC that is coming in that car is half the size of the EVO. All of the testing on the FMIC, the upper i/c pipe and our filter kit for the EVO X was done with the hood closed on the car. The gains were still substantial. There was a test done a year or so ago on the EVO 8 with our open element filter on the car and then one with a full shield built around it. The test was to show a difference in tempuratures at the filter. The test showed there were no gains with the filter being shielded.
We have actually kept the factory air inlet on the car and just cut the end of it off where it went to the factory box. This leaves it blowing cool air on the filter kit.
Evolved Member
I dont suppose you have done any efficiency tests on the stock FMIC vs your new design by any chance? It would be useful knowledge to see the temp differences between the intake side and exit side stock compared to an after market unit.
Thanks for all your work and dedication to the Evo community guys!
Thanks for all your work and dedication to the Evo community guys!