400hp on stock turbo?
370 WHP here with just exhaust intake reflash over 400 hp at the crank
very easy to do 400 hp at the crank in the evo 400 whp and more needs a bigger turbo or a lot more mods then the basic stuff
very easy to do 400 hp at the crank in the evo 400 whp and more needs a bigger turbo or a lot more mods then the basic stuff
Knock at least 30-40whp off that.
So yes, it is BS.
So you are saying a stock turbo full bolt on car beat a fp red, which should have full boltons as well. And I assume same gas on the same model car. Highly unlikely, since nobody would upgrade their turbo then. Feel good dyno exists even outside of FL. Just look at my signature. LOL and those numbers were before some listed mods.
I can only say what I've seen,all I'm saying is that I saw an fp red x run at"415hp" and a stock turbo x running at "unknown hp" and the stock turbo x would get him off the line everytime and on 40mph pulls they were dead even.I'm not sure in how many ways you can explain that one but after they stopped I asked how much you're making and he said not sure but I know its over 400.So how can a stock turbo x be dead even with a red x?once you're rolling it all about the hp at that point and the driver has nothing to do with it,a 3rd or 4th gear pull is just that a 3rd and 4th gear pull.
on a side note,I'm getting a red installed as we speak
The guy was lying about his red then...because a working FPred on a 40mph roll through 3rd and 4th will always beat a stock turbo, even it's making slightly less power, just because the stock turbo sucks *** on the top end. Even with E85 it still sucks up top...so yea, your story doesn't pan out, sorry.
i made 330 whp/wtq on a 93 pump gas with a OTS Cobb map when it was 98 degrees out. my mods are in my sig. if i got a FMIC, o2 DP, cams and an Ivey tune, id be real close to 400whp...
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
LOL, no you wouldn't, not on pump gas.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
So you think everyone running way more boost and timing on e85 and C16 etc who barely get the tiny stock turbo to 400whp are wrong?
You are crazy...ask around, the typical whp for full bolt ons with 93 octane is like 350-360, the cams won't do much with the stock turbo, the turbo is out of air, not the head, so maybe another 10whp.
Still a far cry short of 400whp.
You are crazy...ask around, the typical whp for full bolt ons with 93 octane is like 350-360, the cams won't do much with the stock turbo, the turbo is out of air, not the head, so maybe another 10whp.
Still a far cry short of 400whp.
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I can only say what I've seen,all I'm saying is that I saw an fp red x run at"415hp" and a stock turbo x running at "unknown hp" and the stock turbo x would get him off the line everytime and on 40mph pulls they were dead even.I'm not sure in how many ways you can explain that one but after they stopped I asked how much you're making and he said not sure but I know its over 400.So how can a stock turbo x be dead even with a red x?once you're rolling it all about the hp at that point and the driver has nothing to do with it,a 3rd or 4th gear pull is just that a 3rd and 4th gear pull.
on a side note,I'm getting a red installed as we speak
on a side note,I'm getting a red installed as we speak
So many things can go wrong. He could have a boost leak, a bad plug and so on. Or he could have been lying about his power. All things being equal and both cars running correctly with equal drivers the red will destroy a stock turbo every time.
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LOL, no you wouldn't, not on pump gas.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
Liar. I made 425 whp with the stock turbo running 87 octane with only 3 cylinders running.
I'm still pissed I only picked up 20 hp with my 6262. I love the internet. Murlo is right on, I wish people would do some research. The stock turbo can only flow so much air. There is no magic tuner that can pull 50 more hp than anyone else. Some tuners may run to much boost, timing and dangerous A/F which will give you a little more power than the other guy, at least for a while. But 50 hp swings on pump mean they just change the dyno calibrations. In the end as long as you are happy with your car and enjoy it, thats all that matters. Funny thing is GST's dyno tends to read low and my old E85 numbers where lower than other peoples 91 pump numbers with the same mods. Does not matter at all as long as i still beat them when it counts at the track.
Last edited by RB185AFM; Aug 13, 2010 at 05:01 PM.
LOL, no you wouldn't, not on pump gas.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
You realize a FMIC doesn't add power, and on the stock turbo an O2 DP doesn't do a whole lot either unless you are really pushing it. Cams don't help the stock turbo much either since mivec is so good.
You could probably get 350-360 with all that stuff, but you will not hit 400whp on 93...you guys are crazy.
Our 3.5" intercoler does make the car run richer and it also increases airflow/boost. It also increases the power up to 17hp. (24hp for the 4")
Here is some discuission.
Because of the additional Airflow, the car will run richer based upon Airflow Map, which really richens the car up in the higher airflow areas. We observed that with the IC, the car made a max of 17hp over the stock unit, but there was a spot at 5700-6200 that the power dipped down to stock IC levels. This dip is when the car richens to 9.8 AFR. The reason that the car gets so rich is because of the increased airflow past the MAS. If it wasn't for a greater air density, the car would likely sputter out from being so rich. With the 4" cooler, this dip was less pronounced, and we feel the reason it is less pronounced is because of the greater air density ( more oxegen ). This brings us to how an inferior IC could cause a loss in power.
If an IC is really free flowing, but not efficient it will likely run very rich and possibly have spark issues. A good example would be an Ebay style core. These cores have internal fins that flow strait through. (You can actually see daylight through these units). If this kind of core was fitted to an Evo 10, there would be alot of airflow as observed by the Mass Airflow Sensor. When the computer sees this high airflow rate, it will inject more fuel and make the car run richer, just as we observed with our intercoolers. Now if the intercooler cannot cool the air well and increase the density, then the oxegen content of the charge air will be low. Because of the low oxegen content, and and the high airflow rate past the MAS, this make for a very rich situation in wich the car could make less power, have a sputtering issue, or most likly be on the verge of spark break-up and just have really choppy power. This is what our speculation would be if a high flowing, low efficincy cooler was fitted to an EVO 10.
Things that can contribute to a highflow / low efficiency unit are:
Low Density Fins
Small Size
Short Tubes
Low heat transfer area
Combinations of above
Hope this helps
ETS Sales Team
Here is some discuission.
Because of the additional Airflow, the car will run richer based upon Airflow Map, which really richens the car up in the higher airflow areas. We observed that with the IC, the car made a max of 17hp over the stock unit, but there was a spot at 5700-6200 that the power dipped down to stock IC levels. This dip is when the car richens to 9.8 AFR. The reason that the car gets so rich is because of the increased airflow past the MAS. If it wasn't for a greater air density, the car would likely sputter out from being so rich. With the 4" cooler, this dip was less pronounced, and we feel the reason it is less pronounced is because of the greater air density ( more oxegen ). This brings us to how an inferior IC could cause a loss in power.
If an IC is really free flowing, but not efficient it will likely run very rich and possibly have spark issues. A good example would be an Ebay style core. These cores have internal fins that flow strait through. (You can actually see daylight through these units). If this kind of core was fitted to an Evo 10, there would be alot of airflow as observed by the Mass Airflow Sensor. When the computer sees this high airflow rate, it will inject more fuel and make the car run richer, just as we observed with our intercoolers. Now if the intercooler cannot cool the air well and increase the density, then the oxegen content of the charge air will be low. Because of the low oxegen content, and and the high airflow rate past the MAS, this make for a very rich situation in wich the car could make less power, have a sputtering issue, or most likly be on the verge of spark break-up and just have really choppy power. This is what our speculation would be if a high flowing, low efficincy cooler was fitted to an EVO 10.
Things that can contribute to a highflow / low efficiency unit are:
Low Density Fins
Small Size
Short Tubes
Low heat transfer area
Combinations of above
Hope this helps
ETS Sales Team
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