That is without tuning though...if you tune a car before and then install it and tune it after, the results are the same.

 

Do you have any dyno results to prove this statement?

 

Without any factual data your statement has no valitity and is just a opinion.

 

Explain how you think a bigger intercooler makes more power? You really think the stock turbo is flowing enough hot air at pump gas levels to make the cooling that much greater?

It sure as hell isn't a flow restriction...it is common sense man, why do you think ETS did the test untuned? Gee maybe so they could advertise those gains.

 

Supply me with some data to go along with your theory..I have not seen one post from you on this thread that a had dyno graph or some other hard facts to support your rubuttle.

 

Supply me some showing where an IC makes 20whp on a tuned car how bout....

I made 400whp on the stock IC...

 

I will post a dyno sheet before and after the install of the IC.One tuned without and one with.You supply me the same to support your beliefs.

 

So what is your endgame here...are you the person that buys all these bolt ons and expect the power to just add up...this IC gives 15whp and the intake gives 45 and the UICP gives 10 so that's 70whp for me right?

Are you trying to argue 400whp is possible on a stock turbo on 93 oct?...i don't even remember what this thread is about anymore with all the noobs in it.

 

The funniest part about all this IC talk is that you can't really compare them on a dyno. When we dyno, we do it with the hood up and a fan blowing on the front of the car. How is that a realistic test for an IC? You could simply dyno the stock one with no fan and an aftermarket one with a fan. And on top of that, the car is usually off between pulls and just run long enough to make a pull, so the IC never gets heat soaked.

IC's are there to cool the intake charge down. In the road, the stock IC can heat soak fairly easily. The X has 2 slots in the bumper. You can go drive your car really hard and afterwards stick your hand on the passenger side to feel how hot the IC is. Then put your hand on the Drivers side to see how heat soaked it is. My Perrin has never been heat soaked when I've checked it. Even after several hard laps at the track. How much power do I think my IC gave me? 0. How much power would I have lost with the stock IC? Probably 30+ hp.

The IC will simply prevent power loss due to heat.

 

any decent IC will allow for more power to be made.

however you are really at the point of diminishing returns if you start on that track..

In out experience:
stock = 165wkw
tune+trick muffler = 200wkw
tune+3"TBE = 225wkw
tune+3"TBE+FPGreen = 255wkw

You could do FMIC+UICP+LICP+intake on the 225wkw and get maybe 10-15 more kw, but its going to cost a lot more than just doing a Green in the first place..

80/20 rule

 

My point is that you will see gains from adding a larger FMIC even with the stock turbo.This is what you were trying to debate.

 

[QUOTE=murlo26;8585478]So what is your endgame here...are you the person that buys all these bolt ons and expect the power to just add up...this IC gives 15whp and the intake gives 45 and the UICP gives 10 so that's 70whp for me right?

I installed my bolt ons because they are the supporting mods for more fun now and more down the road.In other words when i decide to go with such future upgrades as a FP Black,I will not have to go back and upgrade my IC later.When you build a house you built it on a good foundation such a concrete.You would not build a nice house on sand and then later decide to upgrade the foundation later.I wanted to start with the basics first and then go to the big power items such as the FP Black etc.

 

What is all this wkw stuff?

(just messing with you, Tephra)

 

[QUOTE=Narmy77215;8586271]I get that...i did the same thing, you have to have a mod path...but the IC isn't netting anyone 20+whp vs the stock one on a single dyno run. Once the car heats up...maybe it will prevent the loss of some hp. But I had like 100 runs on the dyno on my stock IC and never lost power between runs.

 

The FMIC dosnt so much add power as it does stop you from losing power. Sure you may pick up a little power do to cooler air and denser air in your combustion chamber. The real gains are stopping the loss of power due to heat soak. But as the dyno fan just cant replicate 60+ miles an hour wind being forced through your intercooler I dont see the real gains really being seen on a dyno. But on a track it would make a much bigger difference. Put your hand in front of a fan at any dyno shop. Now stick your hand out the window while driving down the highway. Just a bit of difference. So to sum up the bigger the intercooler the more heat is removed from your intake charge to a point. A good example of heat soak is seen in the 03-04 Cobra's. My 03 cobra with basic pulley set up and the crappy, tiny stock intercooler would lose up to 50 hp from dyno run 1 to dyno run 3. After installing a bigger intercooler I picked up 5 hp on the first run and only lost 15 hp by run 3 and this is just with a crappy dyno fan.