I agree that keeping the torque down should be the goal.

 

The green is the smallest of the three, but does offer the quickest spool. If you plan to use the car as a daily driver and occasional track use, I'd say green is the way to go. Originally I was set on the red, but after having talks with my tuner we decided for a 400+whp daily driven car with quick spool the green was the best option. Cams will not be needed to reach your goal of 400whp as long as you have supporting mods. You don't need a new mani, just port your stock one if you want (I didn't). Also what type of fuel do you intend to use?

As for how the green is running for me, it's awesome. Perfect daily drive IMO because spool is barely later than stock and it pulls like hell till redline holding boost all the way. I've experienced zero issues. It comes down to supporting mods, and a good tune in my mind. For reference I'm at 25psi tapering to 22psi.
I honestly don't think a mani is needed as I stated above for the power goals you're looking for. I experience VERY minimal lag compared to the stock turbo even.

 

A tubular mani gives alot more power in the higher RPMS and actually makes a turbo take alil longer to get to full spool. That is why i think a tubular manifold would go perfectly with a ported green because the green has great power in the lower RPMS but in the higher rpms its lacking alil compared to a red.

This is my opinion tho.

 

I'm planning on 93 octane for fuel, maybe even e-85. I like the sound of the green but worried i won't get my goals. Did you upgrade your clutch glomb23?

 

That's definitely true. I was just saying it's not completely necessary for a daily driven car. I know I don't spend TOO much time up in the higher RPM's on the street. Also, for his goals it may not be ultra cost effective given the circumstances.

I'm tuned on 93 myself. I don't have access to E-85 unfortunately. If I did, I probably would have went with a red because I hear it's a better turbo for e-85, and the green is a better pump gas turbo. I don't see why you wouldn't reach your goals of 400+whp with the green though. The red certainly does leave a little more room for improvement. Check out my dyno thread here ....https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-bolt-ons.html
I feel I made pretty good power on stock cams, no ported turbo, intake mani, or exhaust mani. I feel there's definitely room for improvement with some cams, porting, and slightly higher boost.

Edit: As for the clutch, I'm running an Exedy Twin that was literally just installed. I didn't NEED to upgrade it immediately though.

 

Red

 

upgrade your clutch.. imagine having all that power. from any of those turbo you listed and not able to set it down right.... go with spec 3 + drives like stock + easy on the cmc

 

If your not going to be in the higher RPMS you HAVE to get a green or you will be VERY disappointed. IF you like lower RPMS, sell the evo and get a V8. The extra mani cost alot more but will make the engine work alot less to achieve the same power because you wont have to run as much boost up high to achieve that power goal.

The green has plenty to get ya in the low 400's hp and it has "stock like" spool characteristics for the DD.

Get the ported green

 

Sound advice indeed. I'm not saying I never spend time up top . Mani is definitely an option for the OP, but I was just pointing out the cost to benefit ratio there.

 

get Green, cams, and you'll be happy camper.

 

My issue is that i do spend time in the high RPM's especially when i'm cruising (heavy foot) however i will be using this as a DD so to and from work will just be town driving. Agrhhh so much to decide. I am leaning towards the Green though. What is the Red like in the lower RPM's?

 

I've seen dyno graphs around here that a new tub. mani that is out on the market made over 40hp up top. thats pretty impressive.

 

do you have the link?

 

Here is my green on the Virtual dyno:



Here is my Green turbo "feelings":

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...n-journey.html

Enjoy!

 

I definitely spend some time up there too. You won't be down on power so to say up top with the green as evidence of my dyno chart. Like the post a couple above me says you can definitely opt for a mani, or port yours and the turbo. The red you'll definitely see some more up top without question, but will also sacrfice spool unless you want to go with some cams. And of course with the cams you know also comes the valvetrain upgrades which get costly . I don't think you can really go wrong either way though.