colt evo or colt ralliart has been out for awhile, just not stateside

 

this is sig worthy

 

i actually wouldnt doubt it...

when i last spoke to mitsu designers about possibly bringing back the gsx, gvr4, and / or vr4, he pretty much stated that they never stop toying with the idea, hence the vr4 concepts, and the eclipse ralliart concept(4g63 inside), even up to last yeat before the gallant ralliart went into production, they wanted to release it as a awd car, but were afraid of it competing with the EVO.

 

And you really think that 4B11 found in the new Lancer is the exact same 2.0l engine as found in Hyundai or Dodge Caliber ? And do you really think that Mitsubishis 4B11T will be just a 4B11 engine with a slapped turbo??? Of course there will be internal enhancements exclusive to Mitsubishi.

I really don't see any difference, people defending 4G63 when 4B11 is basically applied in similar circumstances. None of them are exclusive to just Mitsubishi products and thats a fact. The only difference is that 4B11 was designed by three companies which doesn't mean that it will automatically suck.

 

What difference does it really make? Point was that 4G63 was not a Mitsubishi exclusive engine, it was sold under different brands. And where was Dodge Colt made? Where was Hyundai Sonata made? Mitsubishi has been sharing platforms for ages because it saves companies big money. The only fools are people who don't see 4G63 as an outdated almost 30 year old engine design that won't meet federal emission regulations of 2009. 4G63 is a strong design but efficiency is not it's strong suit but then again, it began it's design in late 1970s.

 

There's the production class, Group N4, and the WRC class cars, which are A8. To add to the confusion, there's also Super 2000, which are normally aspirated 2.0L cars that are supposed to have similar pace to N4 cars, but don't require the manufacturer to produce 2000 cars to homologate, and use spec AWD systems and gearboxes. Super 2000 is to get away from the Mitsubishi v.s. Subaru racing you have in GrN since they're the only 2 companies that make a car suitable for that class. VW, Peugeot, Ford and other companies have plans to produce S2000 cars.

So Mitsubishi could either homologate the Evo X for N4, or it could produce a S2000 car, which in all likelihood would be based on the Evo X, and there's no reports which way they're going to go.

The WRC05 that you see in competition w/ privateers is the same car Mitsubishi created in '05 since they're not an M1 manufacturer, they can't homologate changes. Development on the WRC05 never stopped, and if Mitsubishi returns as an M1 manufacturer in '08 like they said they would, they'll be competing with what is essentially a WRC05.5. The good news is Mitsu says the more developed car has much better pace.

The Evo X will be the platform for the next new WRC car from Mitsubishi, and early reports from MMSP say that the car has much better potential than the platform the WRC05 car was built on. Mitsubishi says an X based car won't show up until '09.

And as far as the WRC, Mitsubishi quit racing hopped up production models with the Evo 6.5, all cars after that are based on the WRC rules, and those cars have very little in common with the car you drive. Look at the WRC07 Foci of Grunholm and Hirvonen, those cars rock, and street Foci from a performance and rally suitability standpoint suck.

The way things are going the S2000 class will probably supplant N4 at the top level of the sport in "production class", so it will be interesting to see which way Mitsubishi goes with the new Evo. My guess is it will still be N4, since that will have the greatest marketing potential for the car. If so, then you can be happy in the fact that a good portion of the parts on your car that take you to the grocery store and strip mall are also getting a thorough thrashing in FIA production class rally.

 

An Evo is still, afterall...an Evo. There is like no car like it. for this price, I would much rather purchase this, or a Z, or G35, or BMW, or any of that.

 

Shut up already i can careless if my GRANDMA put together the engine as long as it performs.

Does it really matter who makes it or if its shared?

Some people argue about the dumbest ****, IF the 4b11T kicks *** i wonder if anyone will still be saying crap.

 

FYI, the 4G63 and its other variants is a mitsubishi exclusive engine. It was made by mitsubishi and was a major engine supplier to different manufacturers like hyundai and chrysler. The Dodge Colt twin was made in Japan and supplied to Chrysler and rebadged as a Dodge(if you remember they had some sticker that said mitsubishi made in japan). Mitsubishi is part owner of hyundai that is why they supplied motors to hyundai and even Proton of malaysia. It wasn't really platform sharing as the chassis components were not similar at all, just the engines and some electrical parts. Actually the 4G63 is a "hemi" that means it has a hemispherical combustion chamber and is actually the perfect engine as compared to the other bathtub designs. If you're actually familiar with stoichiometry, it provides perfect combustion of gases. I don't see that federal emission as the reason for the change. They have developed the GDI engine originally and that would be the next best thing.

 

you need to go back an re read all my others posts in this thread, before you make assumptions that im a 4b11 nay sayer

 

The Galant VR4 is defintely not what "started it all". Mitsubishi has a grassroots rally history dating back to 1974. In that year the Mitsubishi Lancer made its debut in the WRC when Joginder Singh piloted the car in the 22nd Safari Rally.


I never said that the E39A started it all. Read what I wrote again. I said that it sarted it all as far as the AWD platform was concerened for MMC.

CT9AMR

 

I noticed people with IX defend them, and the the people with the X as their avatar, or the ones who claim they are getting the X when it comes out keep putting the IX down, or saying people with the IX are just saying it because they have one.

If that makes sense to anyone

 

the x looks gay period the rest of the evos are cool

 

I think the new 2008 evo looks somewhat wierd. I have to say though that Evo is the one to get before the tens come out

 

Who cares. The Evo XI will blow the previous competition away. How do I know you ask?....Drop some plutonium into my camry, dialed in 2010 on the cellphone calendar and sped off to 88mph.