I agree with your weight assumptions on the AWD system and SST. So, 3312 sounds about right for this car. But, you forgot to add some very important parts that will add a good bit of weight. Don't forget to add an intercooler, UICP, LICP, a turbo, wastegate, BOV, etc. Let's say those add another 100lbs. Now you're at 3412. Only 100lbs less than the GSR at 3517. But, much less hp/tq.

http://www.060calculator.com/

This is an extremely accurate 0-60 calculator website. Plug in the X GSR data and you get 5.1-5.2 seconds which is exactly what that car runs. So, I think it's fair to use this calculator since it's pretty darn accurate and I have no clue where you're pulling your numbers from

Anyhow, let's plug your stats into this 0-60 calculator. Weight 3312. HP 236. 0-60 = 6.23 seconds (factors in AWD and auto transmission). I would say the SST could knock off .1-.15 seconds because of it's fast shifts. So, with your numbers the Ralliart is 6.1 seconds.

Now, add the extra 100lbs for the other items you forgot. Weight 3412. HP 236. 0-60 = 6.37 seconds (again, factored in AWD and auto tranny). Again, knock off .15 seconds for the SST's quick shifts. 6.22 seconds 0-60.

 

i left out the weight of the turbo components because i already overstated the weights of the AWD and SST. ok for the sake of argument lets add 100 lbs to my estimate that comes out to 3412. with 239 hp you still get 5.8 secs. not bad.

btw all my numbers came from that very 0-60 calculator you linked.

the contention here is that you assume the SST is an auto which is a BIG mistake. we all know it shifts faster than a manual and will beat it in the 1/4. we also have reports that the evo SST has some sort of launch control, not necessarily a full blown launch mode, but you can "brake torque" it to launch. so all this means that you simply chose the wrong option. the SST is not an auto, FAR from it. and the numbers/calculator are very dependent on this choice.

another thing to consider is that the current reports say 240 hp but the original rumors had it at 260 so we may still see more power than 240. this can only lower the 0-60. at the VERY LEAST the RA is a under 6 sec car. it puts it at least as fast as a MS3 which most here can agree is pretty fast.

 

I agree the SST shifts faster than your standard auto. But, you're giving it too much credit...it's not that special (just like Audi/VW's DSG isn't that special either when it comes to drag racing). Please re-read my post and you'll see that I gave an extra .1-.15 seconds back to the time because it shifts faster than your everyday automatic. It doesn't deserve anymore than that. And, the videos we all have access to on the SST's launch, it's clear that it doesn't launch that well. Go drive a VW/Audi with DSG and you'll also see that those cars can't launch that well either. It's just something this type of transmission can't accomplish. It's one of the tradeoffs.

And, the car is currently rated at 236hp. Yes, initial articles may have said 260, but do you really believe them after all the speculation about the X's hp? Remember that the X was initially reported to have 320hp and it wound up with 291hp.

Either way you look at it, this car will not get below 6 seconds 0-60. For nearly 30K, it should have more performance than that. This car will cost close to what a IX RS used to cost brand new. To me, it's crazy to pay between $27K-$30K for a Lancer. I think the US public will prove me right when they don't drop $27-$30K on an overpriced, overweight, underpowered Lancer.

 

Keep in mind. The 2008 WRX manual runs around 5.6-5.7 seconds 0-60. 224hp/226tq, but only weighs 3142. Only down 12hp, but also weighs nearly 300lbs less.

 

I know it is a bit off topic, but how can Subaru make their WRX/STI so light when compared to the Evo X? What makes the damn evo so heavy!!!!

 

i have yet to see a video of DSG vs auto launching. if you have a link please post it. i have only seen DSG vs manual and guess what? DSG always wins in the end. ok you can say VW ups the boost in their DSG but the SST won hands down in the BM tests.

either way this isn't a case of what's better. it's a case of which to choose for that 0-60 calculator. empirical data says the DSG is closer to manual, than automatic, yet because there is no clutch pedal you somehow felt compelled to choose the auto setting in that 0-60 calc??? where's the logic? there is less drivetrain loss with DSG vs auto, faster shifts, etc.

there simply is NO good reason to choose the auto setting for the 0-60 calc. that is the only variable that makes the numbers jump .5 secs. if you play around with the weight and hp you get very similar numbers. if you play around with the manual/auto setting, you get vastly different numbers.

the SST is clearly better than an auto. instead of deducting .1 off the auto time, why don't you add .1 to the manual time? what is that decision based on? for all intents and purposes, the SST acts like a manual.

the current estimate is 236 hp, it may very well be higher. who knows? this is actually the least important aspect of the car as i am sure muc more power can be had very easily even if it gets a smaller turbo, more restrictive IC, manifold, etc. weight on the other hand is hard to shed. i still don't see how the car can weigh 3500 lbs like you say when the GTS is barely over 3000.

unless you have inside info, you're very absolute in talking about this car. why can't it go under 6 sec? we don't even know the weight. at least my speculative weight is grounded in reality. the car could very well weigh 3300 lbs. then it'd surely be under 6 even with "only" 236 hp.

and we don't have the price either! reports were in the 25k range and now you say 30k? where'd the extra 5k come from? based on what? do you really think they'd price the car 4k under the evo gsr? makes no sense what you say. not an educated guess but pure speculation grounded in nothing!

i am totally on the opposite side of the fence. i believe the car will be about 26k with about 240 hp and will sell like crazy. besides looking like an evo it will be as fast if not faster than the evo once we get some tuning done.

 

and the 0-60 calc est a time of 5.8 so it's actually FASTER than what's expected. goes to show how accurate those calcs are right?

and fyi if you plug in 236 hp with 3442 you get 5.9 sec so not much slower anyways...

 

the hatch style is physically smaller.

wrx sedan 180.3 in long
wrx hatch 173.8 in long
evo x 178.3 in long

 

I won't do your research for you. There are plenty of videos on this site of the SST trying to launch. And I wasn't comparing SST vs DSG. I was using the DSG as an example since the tranny is identical to the SST. Have you ever driven a transmission like this? I've driven a DSG-equipped car many times...drag racing...road course...daily driving (I work for Audi so I have access to cars all the time). Go drive one and you'll change your mind about how great you believe this type of transmission to be. It's not that special despite all the propaganda about how great it is supposed to be.

Neither of us will budge on this, I'll continue to say it sucks...you'll continue to say it's great. So, we should just agree to disagree until the magazines get a hold of it. Continue standing up for your Lancer. You do realize it is a Lancer...right?

 

The weight I posted was for the sedan. I never said anything about the hatch. But, either way it doesn't matter...the sedan and hatch both weigh exactly the same.

Anyhow, I'm more confused with why the Lancer and Evo are so damn heavy versus being confused as to how Subaru kept weight down.

 

i've seen all the videos of the SST and i still see no reason why you'd associate it with an auto other than the obvious absence of a clutch pedal. in fact i'm rather impressed with it after seeing it on video.

i asked for videos of DSG/SST vs auto which to my knowledge doesn't exist. it was a rhetorical question. this is very important because YOU chose "auto" in the 0-60 calculator. no other realistic scenario with hp or weight got it over 6 sec until YOU decided that the SST is more like an auto than a manual, ARBITRARILY... your PERSONAL biases have changed the outcome of the objective calculator and then you try to tout it as fact? do you have some kinda personal agenda or something? it goes far beyond skepticism and into hostility almost...weird...

i have only test driven the DSG and i rather like it. better than a manumatic by FAR. have you driven the SST? how can you say it's the same as the DSG without even trying it? on paper it's already a million times more sporty. have you tried the twin clutch trannies on the GT-R? Veyron? it's ridiculous to label ALL twin clutches the same based SOLELY on your previous experience with vw's DSG. ridiculous...

well nobody has to "budge" because i know what i say is actually based on something. if it turns out to be wrong then so be it, i made an educated guess. not pure speculation based solely on emotion or personal biases. the more you post the more you sound like a mitsu hater and you WANT them to fail. like they "did something" to you. weird indeed.

 

Holy christ people....THE CAR DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET.

 

the weight was most likely one of the big problems with design, not only do you have to keep weight down, but you have to keep the distribution somewhat even. If you look at all the previews of the EVO X Vs. the Subaru videos, you can see how unstable the Subaru is in corner vs. the EVOX

Its very likely the EVO avoided cutting weight for the trade off of a more unstable ride.

 

The Transmission is a Manual / Auto Hybrid, aspects of both are put into play. In a sense its just a Electronic Manual system, of course going about this is a very unique way. Some cry with the loss of the manual experience, some cry because of the increase in computer reliance, some cry cause they have no #*($*# idea how it works.

It was designed with efficency in mind, most likely with the thought that the drivers attention should be on driving the car and less on getting shift points bang on during cornering etc... etc...

 

man i must say that poeple on this formum LOVE TO ARGUE, even when its about absoluely NOTHING. In this case its a MYTH, something that doesnt exist.

If you want to get your frustrations out, go for a run or a bike ride, or say a prayer, or take a pill.