There are too many versions of the Lancer... and they all cost too much and they are all underpowered..

 

so true. Or they could drive their cars more and type about them less.

 

I read in a Japanese magazine today that they are calling it the Ralliart VR-4. Im not sure if the VR-4 moniker will stay for the us spec but it also said it will be awd and come with 240 ps. So a little over 240 hp. No price speculation though.

 

Compared to what, a Honda?

 

^ nope compare to the BMW..

 

You can always upgrade the brakes/tires/body parts to CF/ etc.
Plus u will pay less than an EVO and pay less for insurance.
Sounds like a great option. A few bolt ons and u can bump it up to almost 300HP =)

 

 

^^^^And there she blows!!!!! Cool. I like the revised front end. Not Lancer, not Evo X but something in between.

 

Warranty being voided

 

Ahh, how do they know when an ECU has been flashed? And after flashing can it be set back to stock and/or undetectable?

 

*sigh* I love the internets.

I owned a VW GLI with the DSG. Best "automatic" style transmission I've ever driven. I personally applaud Mitsubishi for putting one in the EVO/Ralliart. It's about time this segment got some supercar technology.

Besides, the paddle shifters are more authentic Rally style than rowboating

And I would bet money that the SST is much better than VAG's DSG in every way. For instance, the DSG craps out it's internals at anything more than 250hp. Somehow I bet the SST won't do that

- Patrick

 

Somehow I doubt that the difference will be a simple ECU map. Even though both the WRX and the STI get the EJ25, a simple map on a WRX does not a STI make. The STI gets different internals and I'd bet that the EVO vs. the Ralliart will be the same.

This is the same reason the new E90/1/2 M3 is getting a 400+hp V8 instead of a hypertuned V6, because the 335i (with a turbo back and a tune) would be competition. Mitsubishi doesn't want people saving $10k on buying a Ralliart just to have it smoke Evos at the track and drag strips.

- Patrick

 

I'm pretty sure it would have more to do with a different turbo on the thing than internals. Mitsubishi is known to do this between models. Back in the day, when I found out my Auto talon had a smaller turbo than a Manual, I was p'oed.

Anyways, I don't see the point in changing the internals when the engine is still producing 240hp. I don't think the internal upgrades on the EVO is so drastic from the NA 4B11 that it would make any sense to reduce the reliability of the motor by removing them and keeping it turbocharged. It would just be more cost effective to slap on a smaller turbo and give it a more conservative ECU tune. Don't forget that the chasis and AWD system is probably where most of the cost is going to be and by offering a less sophisticated AWD system, the car could probably be priced lower.

Plus who says mitsu doesn't want people saving $10k on a Ralliart and have it smoke EVOs at the track and drag strips. The EVO is supposed to be the Luxury model anyways. Obviously this one is the "tuner ready" model.

 

Man, what is wrong with you. How the hell do you know what mitsu wants, same with BMW. I have read alot of your posts, and they really make no sense at all. The fact is that people would buy the evo, due to it being more refined, and nicer. I dont get poeople. People b*tch about how crappy the interior is, the econo box styling on the outside, boy racer wing. Then Mitsu changes all that and now everyone is upset that the car is all soft.
Ohh and a tune, with an ecu flash, and exhaust, on the 335i will smoke the M3. Please man, for the sake of everyone stop posting stuff that just doesnt need to be posted. I am not trying to argue with you, but it needs to stop.
Ohh and your comparing this situation, to the wrx vs sti deal. The sti would obvously have different internals, its a bigger motor!!!!!!!

 

2008 M3??? In 0-60 time you are probably right but Car And Driver clocked the new M3 at 4.3 sec to 0-60 (stock 335i supposedly can do 4.8sec). In an all-out race, keep on dreaming. The new M3 most improved aspect is the high speed acceleration from 120 to 160 mph and thats where 335 even with tunes won't keep up. Also M3 handles better.

I am more than sure Mitsubishi will somehow deteriorate Ralliarts performance compared to Evo X and it's potential for mods, otherwise what would be the point of Evo X if in fact the new Ralliart priced at $26K would offer similar performance to Evo X with a $2K worth of mods. Mitsubishis management may not be the brightest in the world but I don't think they would be this stupid as to spend so much R&D dollars on Evo X and then let it be cannibalized by Ralliart. Whats would be the point of spending so much money on developing new technologies such as S-AWC (which probably won't be in a Ralliart anyway due to it's price).