Anyone have any idea how much the MSRP will drop when they start selling the 09's and when is this going to happen?

 

MSRP on any vehicle will never change. It is what it is. Now you can easily get a 2008 Evo X for at or below invoice right now. As soon as 2009 arrives, the 2008's will be even less valuable to a dealer. At some point I would bet that you could pick one up for dealer cost (if they have 4 or 5 08's left in March, for example).

 

thanks shows you how much i know about car values...

 

isnt the dealer price = "invoice" minus the hidden 500 or so in "holdback"

 

Yes. Dealer cost = invoice - holdback. It is the cost below which the dealer loses money.

 

anyone know exactly how much the "holdback" is?

 

Depends on the vehicle. It could be anywhere from 2-5% of MSRP or more.

 

the invoice shown at edmunds for example already reflects hold back (so i was told)

so the base gsr invoice is 31093, but when you go to dealer they will tell you its 31700-31800 (holdback of 700 built in)

dont forget about 1250 dealer cash and 500 for loyalty or military so in theory, you could get a car for 29343 with only one 500 rebate and 28843 with both.

they will however try to add the transportation fee, profit, and cost of flooring (especially if the car has been sitting on lot for 7-8 months)